About this episode
Sam and George try out a new "mellow" tone as wise guest Jes Tom joins them to imagine a brighter future for the LGBTQ community--or at least a slightly different one. Plus: What happens to babies to turn them into white gay men? Is it a coincidence that Hillary Rodham Clinton has the same initials as the Human Rights Campaign? Is peeing in a river in Amsterdam the final step to queer liberation? These are conversations we NEED to have. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.