Defund, Divest, Abolish, Reform: Untangling The Many Ways to Fix Policing

There's no shortage of voices clamoring to be heard on the issue of policing. So what needs to be done? How much reform is the right amount? On Today's Show: Paul Butler , professor at Georgetown Law and the author of Chokehold: Policing Black Men (The New Press, 2017), and Jami Floyd , senior editor for race and justice at WNYC, talk about how the candidates are addressing movements to defund, reform or support the police - and where their policies fall along that spectrum.