About this episode
The federal government shutdown continues, as Trump's efforts in the Middle East draw praise. On Today's Show: Jonathan Lemire , co-host of "Morning Joe" on MSNBC, contributing writer at The Atlantic and author of the book, The Big Lie: Election Chaos , Political Opportunism, and the State of American Politics After 2020 (Flatiron Books, 2022), talks about what he calls the "project 2025 shutdown" and more national political news.