October 22, 2025
418: The Victoria’s Secret Model Workout and The Dose Mentality: The Smarter Way to Get Strong and Lean with Joe Holder
Well with Arielle LorreAbout this episode
This week I’m joined by Joe Holder: performance specialist, Nike Master Trainer, and wellness educator who’s worked with everyone from Victoria’s Secret models to elite athletes, for a conversation that will completely reframe how you think about health and fitness. We get into why workouts don’t always need to be so hard (and how training too intensely can actually make you look and feel worse), the real reason women sometimes get “puffy” from exercise, and how applying a “dose mentality” can optimize results without obsession. Joe breaks down the importance of recovery, why the HIIT revolution did more harm than good, and how physical resiliency builds mental toughness. We also dive into the psychology of wellness including orthorexia, body dysmorphia, and how to pursue health without letting it consume you—plus intuitive eating, carb cycling, and his simple, grounded hacks for starting the day with presence and balance. This episode is brought to you by Bellami Hair, Boncharge, Field of Greens, Just Thrive, Fatty15, Ro Body, and Quo. Go to BellamiHair.com and use code WELL to get 25% off your first clip-in order and book a free consultation. Save 15% off my favorite Red Light Face Mask by using code BLONDE at www.boncharge.com . Visit fieldofgreens.com and use promo code WELL for 20% off. Go to justthrivehealth.com and use code WELL for 20% off your first 90 day bottle of Just Thrive probiotic. Visit fatty15.com/WELL and use code WELL at checkout for an additional 15% off their Starter Kit. Go to ro.co/BLONDE to see if your insurance covers GLP-1s for free. Visit quo.com/BLONDE for 20% off 6 months. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Produced by Dear Media . See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .