About this episode
Stephen Pyne has made fire his life’s work. He put them out for 15 summers and has thought about them ever since. Today on the show – the conversation we’re not having about wildfires and why despite the devastation in California this week, he remains hopeful that we can figure this out. Here’s how you can help the victims of the California wildfires . Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices