BONUS: From Trump's desperation to Drake's 'blackness,' Joe Budden opens up in candid interview

In this extensive interview, rapper and new media entrepreneur Joe Budden talks to MSNBC’s Ari Melber about music, politics, race, the danger of secrets and the power of therapy and personal growth. Budden responds to several video clips, ranging from his early days in hip hop to greatest hits from his popular music show “The Joe Budden Podcast.” Melber and Budden also discuss Drake’s musical career, his verse in “Sicko Mode” about Kanye West and other recent comments; Donald Trump’s history as a sometime hip hop socialite and frequently name-checked character in songs; the evolving meaning of the term “For The Culture,” and whether Budden’s role in hi hop now focuses more on being a rapper or a media interviewer. To listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads, sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.