About this episode
Award-winning writer George Packer on being backstage with Obama, U.S. diplomacy, and his new book, “Our Man: Richard Holbrooke and the End of the American Century,” about the controversial career and rocky life of the legendary diplomat. To listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads, sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.