About this episode
August 18, 2025; 6pm: President Donald Trump met at the White House with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to discuss possible paths to ending the war in Ukraine. Both leaders said the next step would be a meeting with Russian leader Vladimir Putin. Afterwards, leaders of France, the U.K., and other nations joined for a larger session, emphasizing the need to stand united behind Ukraine. John Sipher, a former CIA officer who served in Moscow, joins to discuss what’s ahead. Plus, MSNBC’s Ari Melber reports on the Jeffrey Epstein case that continues to haunt President Trump. To listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads, sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.