About this episode
Beto O'Rourke teases a possible 2020 presidential run, President Trump tries to defend his "Tim Apple" gaffe, and historian Rutger Bregman discusses "Utopia for Realists." Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices