About this episode
Journalist and FSO (you read that correctly!) Steve Herman's new book Behind the White House Curtain delves into the balance between, as Pete says, being the pitcher and the umpire at the same time. Especially during the Trump White House, what was it like to be "the enemy of the people"? Trump's priority was to feed his base red meat, was he really out of control? Join us to hear Steve talk about his experience in this extraordinary dual role.