About this episode
Katy Kale has been elected a Fellow of the National Academy of Public Administration, recognizing her long career in federal service and her commitment to operational excellence. She's here to reflect on what drew her into public administration, what’s kept her going, and how she hopes to shape the field’s future. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .