About this episode
Shutdowns and crises expose the fragility of programs meant to protect the most vulnerable. Clarence Carter, Tennessee’s Human Services Commissioner and author of "Our Net Has Holes In It," is here to discuss lessons from his decades of reform and how to build a safety net that works for people, not politics. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .