About this episode
This epsiode is brought ot you by Quickbooks , Audible and Caldera Lab. What if the most important financial decision you ever make has nothing to do with investing, real estate, or your career—but who you choose as your partner? In this powerful episode of Ever Forward Radio , Chase sits down with attorney, financial expert, and author Pattie Ehsaie for a no-nonsense conversation about money, power, relationships, and financial independence—especially for women. Pattie breaks down why "never falling in love with potential" isn't cold, it's practical; why money remains the number one cause of relationship failure; and how financial independence is not about greed, but freedom. Drawing from her own journey as an immigrant, lawyer, and self-made financial authority, Pattie shares hard truths about hustle, mindset, modern dating dynamics, the "lonely male epidemic," stealth wealth, prenups, and why owning your financial future is the ultimate form of personal sovereignty. Follow Pattie @duchessofdecorum Follow Chase @chase_chewning ----- 00:00 – Why Your Partner Is Your Biggest Financial Decision 01:35 – Meet Pattie Ehsaie & Her Core Philosophy on Money and Power 02:04 – "Never Fall in Love With Potential" Explained 04:10 – Dating a Broke Mindset vs a Broke Bank Account 04:56 – When You Support a Man, You Become His Mother 07:00 – Financial Red Flags Most Women Ignore 11:10 – The Money Talk: Credit Scores, Savings & Debt 12:09 – Why Money Is the #1 Reason Relationships Fail 13:33 – Why Men Fake Wealth (And Women Don't) 18:15 – What Happens When the Provider Loses Everything 23:20 – Why Financial Independence = Power 25:10 – Women Out-Earning Men & the "Lonely Male Epidemic" 29:18 – What's Wrong with Andrew Tate's Money Narrative 31:48 – How to Be a "Rich B*tch": The 5-Account System 36:28 – Why Starting to Invest Late Costs You Hundreds of Thousands 38:16 – Hustle vs a Broke Mindset 41:27 – Prenups, Assets & Protecting Your Future 42:53 – Women Who Did Money Right (Oprah, Taylor Swift) 44:36 – Fake Rich vs Real Rich (Why Housewives Go Broke) 50:13 – Pattie's Immigrant Story & Relentless Work Ethic 55:38 – Ever Forward ----- Episode resources: Get 30% off six months of Quickbooks 20% off men's skincare and haircare with code EVERFORWARD at Caldera Lab FREE 1-month trial of Audible Watch and subscribe on YouTube