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6d ago

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Dec 3

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Nov 24

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Nov 19

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Oct 18

There's a single nerve quietly controlling your heart, gut, mood, and immune system, and most people have never even heard of it. Is yours stuck in stress mode? Discover how the vagus nerve could unlock your body's ability to heal itself and get out of disease/stress mode! Links To The Listener Specials That Mark Is Giving Us: For the Frequency Specific Microcurrent Pulsed Electromagnetic Field Therapy device (FSM/PEMF) that offers many health and wellness programs worth experiencing: https://learntruehealth.com/vibe For the Vibe + VaguVibe Bundle - VaguVibe is for Vagus Nerve Only, whereas the Vibe has all of the Frequency (FSM/PEMF) health & wellness programs: https://learntruehealth.com/bundle For the VaguVibe Only: https://learntruehealth.com/vaguvibe For the Vibe 2 Pack: (You'll want this if you have a family) https://learntruehealth.com/pack Full Transcript and Show Notes: https://learntruehealth.com/vagus-nerve-healing

Oct 9

Get your listener special from Chris and see for yourself: https://www.myvitalc.com/lth Listen to episode 551: https://learntruehealth.com/c60-the-molecule-changing-longevity Full Transcript and Shownotes: https://learntruehealth.com/the-molecule-that-slows-aging-and-boosts-health

Sep 25

Get the medicinal aloe special: https://learntruehealth.com/aloe Listen to Episode 401: https://learntruehealth.com/the-benefits-of-taking-aloe-vera-gel Listen to episode 474: https://learntruehealth.com/aloe-the-magic-formula-for-achieving-optimal-gut-health Discover the missing piece that makes health habits effortless and automatic: https://learntruehealth.com/free Full Transcript and Shownotes: https://learntruehealth.com/medicinal-aloe-superfood-boost-immunity-and-gut-health

Sep 13

To try C60 risk-free and get your coupon code, visit: https://www.myvitalc.com/lth Discover the missing piece that makes health habits effortless and automatic: https://learntruehealth.com/free Full Transcript and Shownotes: https://learntruehealth.com/functional-movement-the-natural-cure-for-back-pain Dr. Grant Elliot's Website: www.therehabfix.com Special Audience Giveaway: GIVEAWAY TITLE: The Rehab Fix Low Back Pain Guide GIVEAWAY Location: rebrand.ly/sciatica-fix

Aug 19

To try C60 risk-free and get your coupon code, visit: https://www.myvitalc.com/lth Discover the missing piece that makes health habits effortless and automatic: https://learntruehealth.com/free Beatty Carmichael's Book: https://ThePrayerOfFreedomBook.com "Get Radical Faith" App Full transcript and Shownotes: https://learntruehealth.com/the-prayer-of-freedom-peace-and-abundance

Aug 9

Discover the missing piece that makes health habits effortless and automatic: https://learntruehealth.com/free Beatty Carmichael's Book: https://ThePrayerOfFreedomBook.com "Get Radical Faith" App Shownotes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/the-prayer-of-freedom

Jul 24

To try C60 risk-free and get your coupon code, visit: https://www.myvitalc.com/lth Shownotes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/c60-the-molecule-changing-longevity

Jul 18

Discover the "wellness reset" you've been praying for—without pills, fads, or pressure. : https://learntruehealth.com/free Shownotes and Full Transcript https://learntruehealth.com/flourish-from-within-natural-ways-to-restore-health

Jul 10

Want more energy, clearer thinking, and lasting motivation? It all starts right here: https://learntruehealth.com/free Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/the-hidden-war-on-your-health-what-globalists-dont-want-you-to-know

Jul 2

If you're tired of starting over, this free guide shows you how to create lasting health without relying on willpower: https://learntruehealth.com/free Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/fracture-free-for-life-the-truth-about-bone-health-scans-and-medications

Jun 18

Get the first part of Ashley's book Addicted To Wellness for free: https://learntruehealth.com/free Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/breaking-free-from-bipolar-insomnia-and-medication-myths

May 24

Discover the missing piece that makes health habits effortless and automatic: https://learntruehealth.com/free Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/fatigue-isnt-normal-discover-the-root-cause-and-solution

May 8

Why you don't need to overhaul your life to start feeling better—just follow this simple plan: https://learntruehealth.com/free Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/the-shocking-link-between-food-additives-and-mental-health

Apr 30

Why trying harder hasn't worked—and the mindset shift that makes all the difference: https://learntruehealth.com/free Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/from-dad-bod-to-fit-doc-dr-kyle-gilletts-biohacks

Apr 21

How to create health from the inside out—without fads, guilt, or restriction: https://learntruehealth.com/free Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/told-shed-die-by-50-now-thriving-at-64-naturally

Apr 5

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/crack-the-system-how-chiropractic-heals-without-drugs

Mar 20

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/bloodwork-lies-and-why-nutrition-genetics-matter

Feb 20

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/grow-your-joy-troy-smothermons-guide-to-organic-happiness

Feb 1

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/documentary-examines-hidden-pandemic-failures

Jan 28

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/understanding-the-7-types-of-headaches

Jan 13

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/your-natural-medicine-chest-hpa-axis-balance/

Dec 19, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/your-natural-medicine-chest-immune-support/

Dec 4, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/good-fat-vs-bad-fat-cooking-oils-explained/

Nov 9, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/getting-off-the-spectrum-jodie-meschuks-path-to-helping-kids-overcome-autism-adhd-allergies-heavy-metals-and-vaccine-injury

Oct 31, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/the-hidden-cause-of-flu-season

Oct 22, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/532-scientific-leap-in-restorative-health-tech-innovation-affordable-pemf-frequency-specific-microcurrent

Sep 26, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/heal-skin-from-within-stop-the-unknown-damage-lindsey-baillie

Sep 15, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/to-dye-for-the-documentary-exposes-hidden-poison-harming-children/

Aug 21, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/from-burnout-to-balance-with-sarah-fingers-chopra-yoga-training

Aug 5, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/reclaiming-health-sovereignty-and-freedom

Jul 31, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/breaking-free-from-addiction-adam-suds-150lb-health-transformation

Jul 26, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/red-pill-revolution-navigating-the-lies-of-modern-medicine

Jul 21, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/how-seeking-holistic-health-saved-my-life-david-dehaas

Jul 2, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/achieve-peace-over-food-with-neuroscience

Jun 24, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/headache-migraine-pain-dr-scott-vrzals-guide-to-root-cause-solutions/

Jun 13, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/confessions-of-a-male-gynecologist-dr-shawn-tassones-hormone-balance-guide

May 31, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/dr-vaughn-cooks-revolutionary-biofeedback-technology-in-holistic-healing/

May 9, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/navigating-media-jeremy-slates-guide-for-alternative-health-practitioners/

Apr 25, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/understanding-disease-reversal-through-gene-expressions

Mar 19, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/neural-therapy-and-the-five-levels-of-healing-with-dr-jeff-harris/

Mar 5, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/stem-cell-stimulation-through-photobiomodulation-creates-cellular-age-reversal

Feb 13, 2024

Hello True Health Seeker! I am thrilled to announce the launch of my book, Addicted To Wellness: The Healthy Addiction: 12-Week Workbook for Creating a Lifelong Love of Well-Being. You can find it here on Amazon: https://www.learntruehealth.com/addictedtowellness As part of my book launch celebration, the first 50 readers to post a selfie with my book on their social media will receive a fun book launch gift bag from me filled with limited edition goodies and my favorite health products! Once you have purchased my book and received it in the mail, take a pic of my book in your hands, post it to your social media and tag me (@2learntruehealth on FB or @learntruehealth everywhere else), and then send me an email with a screenshot of your post and your mailing address so I can send you your gift bag! I have a big favor to ask those of you who are fans of my show. After you go through my book, please consider giving it a 5-star written review on Amazon to help me promote it. The more 5-star reviews my book gets, the higher Amazon will rank it, which will help it reach more readers! With your help, my book reaches more people so that together, we can help more people Learn True Health! THANK YOU! To Your True Health, Ashley James Integrative Health Coach, Podcaster, Anxiety Cessation Expert & Author PS. Want to know what my book is about? To sum it up, It's about developing cravings for wellness by experiencing fun health habits that build you up and give you more energy, mental clarity, better digestion, deeper sleep, joy, and more! You can buy my book here: https://www.learntruehealth.com/addictedtowellness

Feb 1, 2024

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/brandon-fausts-ultimate-mold-fix-essential-tips-for-a-mold-free-home

Dec 14, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/tapping-into-earths-frequency-ancient-wisdom-meets-emf-stress-relief/

Dec 5, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/nano-silver-natures-answer-to-microbial-threats/

Nov 20, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/psychophysiology-breakthrough-cure-for-long-haul-and-pain

Nov 20, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/grow-a-younger-brain-phycocyanin-sod-spirulina-algae-secrets

Nov 20, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/break-free-defeat-cravings-overcome-overeating-with-dr-glenn-livingston

Sep 15, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/mastering-wellness-with-dr-wendie-trubow/

Aug 16, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/ten-steps-to-radical-remission

Aug 9, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/healing-waters-science-of-structured-analemma-water-with-dr-eric-laarakker

Aug 2, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/understanding-the-polyvagal-theory-with-dr-elizabeth-guthrie

Jul 27, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/dr-elizabeth-guthries-guide-to-herbal-wellness-somatics-and-healing/

Jul 22, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/quantum-healing-bridging-ancient-wisdom-with-modern-science-dr-john-douillard

Jul 13, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/revolutionary-medical-mattress-heal-and-sleep-deeply/

Jun 30, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/from-self-talk-to-autophagy-ashleys-inspiring-5-day-water-fast-experience

Jun 24, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/the-most-comprehensive-and-affordable-health-coverage

Jun 14, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/the-most-comprehensive-and-affordable-health-coverage

Jun 3, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/stories-of-success-and-tools-for-optimal-wellness/

Mar 23, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/gut-to-glow-improving-health-skin-and-collagen-with-lactobacillus-reuteri

Feb 17, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/rejuvenate-cells-with-structured-water-mario-brainovic

Feb 12, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/healing-deliciously-how-to-nourish-your-life-through-food

Jan 26, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/phototherapy-patches/

Jan 12, 2023

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/unlock-mental-and-emotional-freedom-dr-dain-heer

Dec 16, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/why-rx-drugs-are-destroying-emotional-and-mental-health/

Dec 9, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/how-to-recover-from-long-covid-dr-oz-garcia/

Nov 23, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/healing-insulin-resistance-and-diabetes/

Nov 13, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/ufc-world-champions-secret-to-maximize-endurance-and-improve-body-performance-pat-miletich

Nov 2, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/how-to-recover-from-stress-through-magnesium-soak-kristen-bowen

Oct 29, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/mastering-diabetes-how-to-reverse-insulin-resistance-and-restore-insulin-sensitivity-with-robby-barbaro

Oct 10, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/kill-candida-holistically-and-restore-true-gut-health-dr-michael-biamonte

Oct 6, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/mitochondrial-self-healing-superfoods-high-potency-chlorella-spirulina

Sep 29, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/learn-from-the-expert-dr-michael-biamonte-on-candida-elimination-and-recovery

Aug 29, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/medicinal-mushrooms-that-heal-brain-immune-function-tim-james

Aug 18, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/at-home-ozone-therapy-for-immune-mitochondrial-health-eileen-durfee

Aug 8, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/483-your-quest-to-wellness-how-to-self-heal-through-food-dr-mark-sherwood

Jul 26, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/detox-self-healing-from-mold-stress-with-dr-wendie-trubow

Jul 11, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://learntruehealth.com/adrenal-reset-diet-naturally-lose-weight-regain-energy-dr-alan-christianson/

Jun 7, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/pornography-induced-erectile-dysfunction-treatment-and-intervention

May 18, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/our-amazing-grace-whistleblower-reveals-how-he-lost-his-daughter-to-medical-malpractice

Apr 29, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/nitric-oxide-for-preventing-and-reversing-heart-disease-with-dr-nathan-bryan

Apr 14, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/proof-of-heaven-neurosurgeon-shares-his-journey-into-the-after-life-dr-eben-alexander

Apr 5, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/antidepressant-probiotic-homemade-yougurt-lactobacillus-reuteri-dr-william-davis

Mar 5, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/reversing-cancer-with-advanced-gerson-therapy-dr-patrick-vickers

Feb 22, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/aloe-the-magic-formula-for-achieving-optimal-gut-health

Jan 21, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/the-survival-protein-dr-isaac-eliazs-integrative-approach-to-healing-cancer-other-conditions

Jan 14, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/institute-for-integrative-nutrition-health-coach-training-program-jim-curtis

Jan 2, 2022

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/healing-processed-food-addiction-with-dr-joan-ifland-using-neuroscience-mirror-neurons

Dec 6, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/470-essential-oils-apothecary-diy-natural-remedies-with-sabrina-zielinski

Nov 22, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/dr-tom-o-bryan-on-the-natural-solution-to-gut-healing-autoimmune-disease-and-restoring-brain-functions

Oct 5, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/dr-jane-ruby-drug-development-expert-explains-vaccine-trials

Sep 21, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/neurosurgeon-discovers-key-to-mitochondrial-health

Sep 2, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/essential-oils-apothecary-dr-eric-zielinski

Aug 10, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/the-thyroid-reset-diet

Aug 5, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/the-many-benefits-of-iodine-with-dr-david-brownstein

Jul 27, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/dr-richard-fleming-on-the-most-effective-drug-based-treatment-for-covid-19

Jun 21, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/dr-david-brownstein-proven-effective-natural-protocols-respiratory-covid-viruses

Jun 15, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/study-outlines-key-factor-in-chronically-sick-vs-healthy-children

Jun 5, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/nicotinamide-adenine-dinucliotide-supplement-nadovim-nad-the-missing-link-to-energy-brain-function-and-longevity

May 14, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/radical-longevity-the-powerful-plan-to-sharpen-your-brain-strengthen-your-body-and-reverse-the-symptoms-of-aging

May 11, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/ashleys-update-for-the-learn-true-health-listeners

Mar 1, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/optimize-healing-holistic-coaching-nutrition

Feb 25, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/breast-implant-illness-signs-symptoms-treatment

Feb 18, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/the-windows-to-true-health-iridology-and-tongue-reading

Feb 10, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/the-emotion-code-by-dr-bradley-nelson

Jan 21, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/small-changes-in-daily-habits-can-make-the-biggest-difference-for-a-clean-and-functioning-body-mind-and-spirit

Jan 6, 2021

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/achieving-a-non-toxic-home-and-work-environment

Dec 3, 2020

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/food-fermentation

Nov 16, 2020

Show Notes and Full Transcript: https://www.learntruehealth.com/viome-gut-microbiome

Nov 2, 2020

Contact Dr. Vienna Lafrenz www.natural-therapeutics.com Christmas Gift Ideas! Energybits.com and the magnesium products at livingthegoodlifenaturally.com use coupon code LTH for both! Visit TakeYourSupplements.com to get on Dr. Wallach's protocol & the supplements that Ashley and her family have been taking for the last ten years. Check out IIN and get a free module: LearnTrueHealth.com/coach Remote Healing with SCIO Quantum Biofeedback https://www.learntruehealth.com/remote-healing-with-scio-quantum-biofeedback Highlights: What remote Biofeedback is What therapeutic ultrasound is Self-love and healing Emotion has a huge impact on healing Different modalities for healing How food choices affect our body and mood Did you know that you can get remote healing? In this episode, Dr. Vienna Lafrenz shares how she helps her clients heal by using different modalities. One amazing tool that she uses is the SCIO machine, which works through remote Biofeedback. She explains what the SCIO does and how it helped her clients. What's fascinating about Vienna's healing approach is that she helps her clients heal holistically—emotional, mental, physical, spiritual, and energetic. She explains that if we don't have self-love, it hinders us from healing fully, so having self-love would be the first thing that needs to be worked on to heal. Intro: Hello, true health seeker, and welcome to another exciting episode of the Learn True Health podcast . You're in for such a ride today with Dr. Vienna. I can't wait for you to hear today's episode. You know, there are 53 days left until Christmas if you're listening to this the day I publish it. If you're listening to it later, Christmas is just around the corner. I love giving holistic presents to my friends and family. I'm going to tell you a few that I absolutely love. The Magnesium Soak, you can listen to my interviews. Just type in Magnesium Soak at learntruehealth.com and listen to those interviews. Absolutely amazing. Kristen Bowen, I think she said she was 97 pounds, having 30 seizures a day, in a wheelchair, and unable to talk. Now, she's in perfect health. One of the biggest things that helped her was her magnesium soak that she sells on her website, livingthegoodlifenaturally.com . Be sure to use the coupon code: LTH when you go to her website, livingthegoodlifenaturally.com . Coupon code: LTH. I love the Magnesium Creme . I love the Magnesium Soak . You put it in a foot bath or put it in your bathtub for you and your kids. I also love the Magnesium Muscle Creme , which is amazing for aches, pains, and tension headaches. That absolutely must be on your Christmas gift list, your holiday gift list. The other great gift I love giving my holistic friends is ENERGYbits . Go to energybits.com. Grab a few of the bags of ENERGYbits for your sister, your mom, your best friend. They're fantastic snacks. Kids love them too because they make your tongue turn green or blue, depending on whether you get the chlorella or spirulina. They help to detox the body. They're filled with readily available protein and tons of vitamins. I think I have seven different interviews about chlorella and spirulina, specifically about the ENERGYbits brand. I've interviewed the founder of that company. There are only two companies I know of that do not contain any lead in their chlorella. If you buy some over the counter, go to some health food store and buy chlorella, there's going to be that little warning on it that says, in the state of California, this causes cancer. That's because there's actually lead in those bags of chlorella. But in ENERGYbits , in their chlorella, there's zero because of their process of how they grow their crop and how they then turn the crop into little edible tablets. So listen to my interviews on the Magnesium Soak with Kristen Bowen. 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Have yourself a fantastic rest of your day and enjoy today's interview. [00:03:41] Ashley James: Welcome to the Learn True Health podcast. I'm your host, Ashley James. This is episode 450. I'm so excited for today's guest. We have Dr. Vienna Lafrenz on the show, a Ph.D. in Integrative Medicine. Vienna, you and I met through my friend Jennifer Saltzman. You have a beautiful clinic. Oh my gosh, just a gorgeous clinic in one of the most beautiful parts—remote parts—of Washington state. You're near is it Republic, Washington? Is that where you're near? [00:04:21] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yes, I'm actually in Republic. [00:04:25] Ashley James: That was Republic that we drove to, okay. Gosh, it's so beautiful out there. You're just in probably the most beautiful part of the world. I just couldn't believe it. It's hard to drive the car because you just want to stare at nature, the mountains, and the scenery the whole time. It's really beautiful. You have this gorgeous clinic and what a gem in the middle of nowhere to stumble upon you and all the work that you do. You gave a Biofeedback treatment to our son. That was amazing, the results we saw. And then I was quite sick back in February—just fever, gasping for air, burning lungs, sore throat—the works. I was just suffering for days. I did telemedicine with my Naturopath. I was on all kinds of supplements, and then you did a remote session with me. This was days into just high fever, sore throat, really burning lungs, and hard to breathe. At the end of the session, it was like the suffering had ended. My fever broke, and I slowly recovered after that. About a week later, I was back to my normal self, but that was the point where the suffering ended. I thought that was really interesting. I'm always kind of skeptical but open-minded about things we can't see like oh, energy work. Long-distance energy work. We can't see it. I don't think I could say it's placebo because I didn't believe in it. I'm like, okay, I'm open to it, but I didn't have a strong belief like yes, no matter what, I think this is going to work. Because I w as sitting there suffering pretty badly or lying there pretty badly, and it was quite amazing that for a few hours of the session, I felt my body shift into super healing mode. That was my experience with it, but I've actually talked to others who have experienced the type of remote feedback that you do, including Eric Thornton, who I've had on the show several times. Everyone I talked to that has experienced the SCIO, which is one of the machines that you use, have all told me that they've had incredible results. I'm really excited to learn more from you today about what remote Biofeedback is because I've had a personal experience. I've seen my son, I've talked to others. What a great tool to have in our tool belts especially when we've exhausted all the other resources. We're eating healthy, we're taking our supplements, we're getting plenty of fresh air, sunshine, and walking. But if there's still something not getting better in our health, we should absolutely look to energetic medicine. I'm really excited to dive into this. Before we dive into what remote Biofeedback is, specifically the SCIO and the work that you do, I want to learn a bit more about what happened in your life that made you want to become a Ph.D. in Integrative Medicine and work with people using these types of therapies? [00:07:52] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Well, I'm glad you asked. Prior to that, I was an occupational therapist for 30 years. I was working in nursing homes. I was traveling all over the United States. I was a consultant where I worked for the largest rehab provider in the whole United States. I would go to all these different nursing homes, hospitals, acute care hospitals, long-term care hospitals, all these outpatients, and things like that. I would go to where they needed me, and basically it was where either clients weren't making progress and they were plateauing, or where business was really short, the therapists were having a hard time identifying clients, or just knowing what to do with them. They would call me in and I would spend the week there. During that time, I would consult on the clients, I would teach the therapist. They'd be sitting right there with me while I'm working with the patient, and then have them do it so there'd be a return demonstration so that the client would get better and they'd be able to go home. I would also spend that time doing some continuing education where I would provide courses that I would teach and things like that, and I loved it. About 10 years into my OT practice was when I first got involved with reiki. I learned reiki from a reiki master. That just opened up the whole new perspective of what energy is and how it works. How you can do distance healing, and how you can change somebody's energy just either hands-on or remote. That opened up my eyes. Then I went into aromatherapy, then acupressure. So it just started developing, I started going to all these courses, getting certifications, and things like that. I started implementing that into what I was teaching through OT, through all the places that I've been going. I really specialized in pain management, so I would bring different modalities from the eastern world of medicine into the western side and started to integrate those two. When I started doing that, I started seeing a huge improvement in the clients' outcomes and how they were responding in the healing process overall. [00:10:13] Ashley James: You were using reiki, which is energy work, and you're using essential oils and acupressure. Acupressure is a form of energy work in a sense that you are stimulating the nervous system, but also, you're stimulating the meridians, which is more of an energy work. You could even consider aromatherapy, although aromatherapy is herbal medicine. There is an energetic frequency component to it. Along with your many years of experience and rehabilitation as an occupational therapist, you're bringing in this energy work and herbal medicine to your—is it the senior patients that you were working with already? [00:11:05] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yes. At the same time, I was teaching the therapists how to use this information. See, when it came to the acupressure, I also used ultrasound, electrical stimulation, infrared, and all different types of modalities that we've always used in therapy in OTPT. We've used those types of types of modalities in our practices. Bringing those into the eastern world as well was really nice because a lot of people have a fear of acupuncture because of the needle. Whereas with ultrasound, you get the same result as if you're using a needle. [00:11:48] Ashley James: Now, when you say ultrasound, just to clarify—I apologize for interrupting you. The listener might not know this but because you're on satellite internet, there's a delay. When we talk there's a delay, and sometimes we sound like we're interrupting each other. We don't mean to be. When you say ultrasound, could you clarify because a lot of people think ultrasound is imaging and not. That it's actually using deep heat or a wave of energy that creates heat in deeper tissue. [00:12:19] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: This is considered therapeutic ultrasound. It does not diagnose like when people go in for an ultrasound to find out if they have a baby or not. This is actually called therapeutic ultrasound, and there are two settings. There's a heating setting, and there's a non-thermal setting. The one that I use with the acupuncture points is a non-thermal. Basically what it is is there's a little sound. There's like a little crystal within the sound head that vibrates and so it creates a frequency. That frequency then interacts within the person's energy and it gets the energy to flow through blood, through lymphatics, through the nerve system, through the musculoskeletal system, and through all of those different systems, and it gets it to move. How it works with the acupuncture point is that when you use acupuncture as in a needle, you have to be very precise where the acupuncture point is. With the ultrasound, because there's this sound wave that is vibrating within the sound head, when you get it over the acupuncture point, it will either flow into the body or release the energy from the point. It's similar to when you're using a needle. You either tap it or twist it to get the result you're looking for. Whether you're trying to push energy into that point or whether you're trying to release it. I use the non-thermal, which doesn't go deep into it because the acupuncture point is so superficial to the skin that you don't have to go deep. [00:13:58] Ashley James: Fascinating. Tell us about these results that you started seeing. You've got these clients. Have you been working with them for a while? You were traveling, were you always working with new people, or did you come back to the same patients? And then what kind of results did you see when you went from just regular occupational therapy rehab to occupational therapy rehab plus energy work, acupressure with therapeutic ultrasound, non-thermal with essential oils? When you added those three modalities in, what kind of results did you start seeing? [00:14:39] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Well, first of all we started seeing results right away, I mean during that session. What I mean by that is and actually, because I was an educator for the company, I was able to go to so many different types of continuing education so I could actually open up my toolbox and have as many tools available to work with clients as I needed. It was wonderful. I got my myofascial release training. I got some craniosacral lymphatic. You name it, I was able to get all these different types of tools in my toolbox. I just started implementing them every time I would learn something and master it. When I would work with a chronic pain patient, for example, I'd be just into the facility for the first time, meeting this person for the first time. The therapist is giving me as much information, I read the medical record, and then I start to work with them with the therapist. Literally, I would say 98% of the clients that I got to see while I was traveling would show an immediate, if not significant improvement, within that first session. Which is why it started becoming so popular for me to come to different locations and help some of the most sick or chronically disabled people. What evolved from that was just an excitement within all the therapists that we have other tools that we can use. We have other theories, we have other philosophies that we can implement. It also stayed within their scope of practice. They were able to expand their scope of practice within their scope and get the best results that they could from their clients. [00:16:19] Ashley James: Can you remember early on a specific client that had this incredible before and after that you can share with us? [00:16:31] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yes, it actually happens to be one that I reiterated in my book. This was a gentleman, I want to say he was in Indiana. He was there because he'd had a really bad stroke, and he was combative as well. When the caregivers would try to help him, he would just either strike out or just get really angry. Part of it was because his body wasn't working the way he wanted it to, and he would get really, really frustrated with it. [00:17:11] Ashley James: It also depends on where the brain damage is because brain damage can cause that kind of erratic behavior, anger, and outburst just depending on where the inflammation or damage is in the brain, right? [00:17:24] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Absolutely. Within this particular situation though, he was becoming more frustrated with the fact that his body wasn't doing what he wanted it to do to the point where he didn't like his body anymore. He wasn't finding that he could even rely on it to do what he wanted to. As a general, he's used to commanding things and wanting things to work like they're supposed to. When his body was giving up on him, he was extremely depressed, frustrated, and took it out on everybody. It was preventing the healing process of where he needed to go, and he wanted to go home. So they called me in. I had the therapist show me exactly what they've been working with him. I actually have a certification in what's called NDT, which is neurodevelopmental treatment. It's a specialized process for people who've had strokes or any kind of neurological deficit. I went to go work with him. While we're getting him to do certain things and perform certain tasks, he starts getting frustrated and he starts yelling. He starts yelling at his leg and he says, "See, it's worthless. It doesn't work. It's broken. I just don't need it anymore. Just cut it off." I'm like, "Wait a minute, wait a minute." Basically we just stopped right there and I just said, "I need you to repeat this phrase for me." I said, "I want you to repeat, I love my body and my body loves me back." Well, okay, so imagine this general. He's looking at me like are you crazy? Seriously? He does this very sarcastic I love my body and my body loves me back. I'm like, "Not good enough. Say it like you mean it. And he goes, "Okay, well I love my body and my body loves me back." And I went, "Okay, really mean it." And I leaned into him and I looked him straight in the eye and I said, "Say it like you really mean it." He literally started to cry and he goes, "I love my body and my body loves me back." And I said, "Now let's do it." We started doing the same exact task we've been trying to do over and over and over again and failed and he succeeded. I mean to perfection. He was like, "Oh my gosh, this is crazy. Can we keep going?" I said, "Absolutely." So we perform that task over and over and over again, which is of course creating muscle memory and also decreasing the neurological exchange that's going on, that is a deficit. He sits down on the mat completely exhausted, and he's like, "You're a miracle worker." And I said, "No, you are. Once you started to believe in your body and to love your body back it rewarded you back by saying it loves you too." Why I bring that up is because that's one of the things I've learned throughout the time that I've been an integrative medicine doctor as well as a therapist. It's the mind, it's the emotions, it's the psychological, it's the mental that gets in the way many times, and if we don't look at that whole person and address all of that, then we're not going to get complete healing. You wouldn't learn that until you go through energy work, until you start to learn some of these different modalities and different methods to help people heal. We can't just heal the physical, we got to address the whole person. [00:21:19] Ashley James: That is so true. We cannot just address the physical. We can't just take our bag of symptoms to a doctor and get given drugs. That's not health care. That's disease management, that's sick care. Health care is really holistic care, looking at emotional, mental, physical, spiritual, and energetic. Getting that they're all connected, and there's not one that's more important than the other. They all need to be addressed and they all affect each other. Sometimes, when we've tried doing physical and we're not getting results, then we need to look at energetic, spiritual, or mental, and emotional, and come in from that angle as well. [00:22:08] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yeah, his mind was getting in the way. That's one of the things that I would say that 85% of the clients that I see currently, truly there's an emotional and a mental deficit that is preventing them from healing. Part of that is the knowledge and the belief system that they can heal themselves, that they have that potential. [00:22:36] Ashley James: Especially if they've been told by an MD, this is the way it is. This is as good as it's going to get. You can't heal. I was told by an endocrinologist when I was 19 that I'd never have kids, never. I was told by MDs that I would have diabetes the rest of my life. I can't even tell you how many countless times I was told by medical doctors that I would always be sick. This is as good as it's going to get. We're going to manage your disease with drugs, and there's no hope of a cure, no hope of getting healthy. And if you believe that, then all your behavior is going to reinforce that. Luckily, I go against the stream. I'm one of those stubborn people, and I'm going to completely do the opposite. I was like I'm not going to believe you and I'm not going to let my unconscious mind believe you either. But we have to catch ourselves. [00:23:33] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: I'm going to prove you wrong. [00:23:34] Ashley James: Right, but we have to catch our belief system and go what is in my belief system that has me sick, that has me staying sick, or has me not looking for answers? [00:23:47] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Like I was saying, about 85% of the people who come to me, they come to me after they've been to every single specialist there is and every single one of them say there's nothing wrong with you. Here's a psych eval. Go get a psychological evaluation because there's nothing wrong with you. We can't find anything wrong with you. Yet this is a person who is showing up with so many chronic diseases of autoimmune, of thyroid, of lack of appetite, depression, anxiety. I mean you name it, and then of course, hearing that they don't know what's wrong with you only adds to the anxiety, only adds to the hopeless despair that is being created. I get a lot of that. [00:24:33] Ashley James: So people come to you after, it's kind of like you're their last hope. Luckily you have a bag of tools to address everything—all the different angles. And you have a lot of experience with working with—I don't want to say hopeless cases but people who feel like hopeless cases, or people who the medical system has given up on them, or they've fallen through the cracks, or they're sick of being sick and they're sick of just being drugged and just having their symptoms managed instead of actually getting better, actually getting healthier. There you were working with all these tools, realizing that there was a psychological, spiritual, and energetic component to rehab, to healing, in addition to all the physical manipulations that you can do to support people in their healing. What next? I love that reiki was your gateway into all this because reiki's awesome. I've been doing it since I was like 16 years old, I think. What happened next that had you go fully into becoming a Ph.D. in Integrative Medicine? [00:25:44] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Well, the difficult thing for me was as an occupational therapist, you had to always have an order from an MD to do what it was that you wanted to with a patient. When they don't believe in what you're doing, then oftentimes, those orders wouldn't be approved. Therefore, you couldn't deliver it to that client or to that patient. If you say you want to do essential oils for pain management, they're like well there's no science in that so no, we're not going to do it. Or there's no science in the acupuncture, acupressure, or anything like that. We'd get turned down a lot of the services that we wanted to provide, and so that was very discouraging because I knew that these modalities would actually help these clients. When I would see that happen a lot, especially with particular physicians or something like that, I would always invite them to come and observe a session or let me teach you. Let me show you exactly what this is about. Or I'd say give me your worst client that you have. The one that you've either been struggling with for pain management or something like that and just let me do what I do and then you can tell me whether you find that this is valid or not. In fact, I'd have some of the physicians come and attend some of my classes, and they would stay afterwards and I would show them because they'd say there's no evidence that these acupuncture points exist. I said, "Yes, there is and let me show you." [00:27:19] Ashley James: It's only a 5000-year-old system of medicine. No evidence—5000-year-old system of medicine. [00:27:28] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Exactly. I would hook them up with an electrical stim unit and allow them to feel the acupuncture points. When they would be over an actual point, they would feel the intensity move up their finger as they're tracing the meridian. When they would go over a master point, which is an extremely powerful acupuncture point, the intensity would go up even higher. Then they'd be like, "Oh my gosh." And I said, "Follow that meridian all the way and they would feel every single point." And then they're like, "Okay, okay, okay. I get it, I get it. Who did you want to see?" So they would start giving me the list. That got me to start thinking about what I want to do? It all started with my niece who she was diagnosed with a very bad cancer, a tumor in her brain. It had been misdiagnosed for almost a couple of years. All they kept looking at were the symptoms. She was having pain in her head, she'd have weakness, she'd have some issues with cognition to where she would forget where her classes were, which when you've been going to school for a couple of years at the same school you don't forget where your classes are. She'd have a hard time concentrating. She'd have some visual deficits and things like that that would just show up. They kept treating her as if she had allergies, if she had sinus infections, or things like that, and they would just give her medications. Until the day that one whole side of her body went paralyzed and then of course parents took her in the emergency room, instantly got a CAT scan and they found a tumor about the size of a grapefruit in the back of her brain. She instantly went in for surgery and I loved her surgeon. This neurosurgeon was amazing. He had the best bedside manner. He was really, really good. She went through the surgery, they got about 98% of it out, and then she was a candidate then for chemo and radiation. They got enough of it out but it grew so fast that she never got to have that. I mean, she did take some radiation and stuff like that but the side effects were so horrific. [00:29:52] Ashley James: Of the chemo and radiation? [00:29:55] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: The chemo and the radiation. She was basically on every kind of trial there was to try to overcome it. Every single one of them just failed and made her feel worse. She gained over 150 pounds because they put her onto a steroid, that steroid just packed the pounds on her, and she basically became immobile. She basically was stuck in her bed for the last, I'd say, six months of her life. This was a very active, vibrant, vivacious young girl and to see this happen. I would go down to her house every weekend for the whole two years that she was sick, give her mom some relief, and just have fun with her. I would use some of my modalities. I would use some of the reiki. I would use some of the acupressure. I would use some of the aromatherapy with her and found that she was getting some really good relief. She wasn't having the nightmare. She wasn't having the painful episodes, the difficulty with cognition, things like that, and it gave her some quality of life. So that in itself told me that this was working. After she had passed, she did pass away when she was 18. She actually passed on her mother's and my birthday. We consider that her new birth, but that actually got me motivated to want to do more and to use more of the holistic way of healing. I started looking for universities. That's when I decided to go back to school. I want to say I was 54 or 52 when I went back to school. I thought you're never too old to go back and get your Ph.D., just do it. So I did, and I'm so glad I did. [00:31:52] Ashley James: That is so cool. Her death and her suffering, at the hand of the medical system, showed you that you really wanted to explore tools that could have helped her. [00:32:15] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yes, and as a Ph.D., I don't diagnose and I don't treat. I know that sounds strange, then how do you work with clients? Well, I don't treat because when you talk about diagnosing and treating, that's more of the MD side of things—the medical doctor side of things. When it comes to a Ph.D., I'm allowed to be able to identify energetic imbalances in the body that cause disease, and then train the body, train the person on how to overcome those imbalances or those that lead to the disease state. I always make that really clear with my clients is that they get a little confused with the treatment part, but what I'm doing is training the body to return back to homeostasis. Training sticks, treating doesn't. Treating is really just treating the side effects and it's really just, like you said, a maintenance type of program. Whereas I truly feel that the training piece, which includes education of that client; which includes resources; which includes training the brain, training the muscles, and training the neurological system to do what it's supposed to. As a Ph.D., I'm allowed to do what I want to with my clients. I don't have to have a physician's order to do what I want to, and that's what really drove me into the Ph.D. program was to be able to say what it is that I want to do with this client and not have someone telling me I can't do this and manage it. That's where the true empowerment came from. [00:33:59] Ashley James: In studying integrative medicine, you have many tools now. You gave me the tour of your clinic—and in this room, and in this room, and in this room—you have a lot of tools, and it's really cool. You can work long distances with people. You can also do work in person, if someone wants to come to Republic, Washington, which is a beautiful place. Do you feel now that you have tools that could have helped your friend? I mean, this is all hypothetical. But had she not chosen chemo and radiation, do you think you have tools that could have helped her? [00:34:44] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: That's hard to say because originally, I didn't even know she was having any symptoms or anything going on with her until the diagnosis came. And at that point, it was so huge and so big at the time that it's hard to say whether I could have. Now, with the remote Biofeedback, yes, I can work with degeneration, which is a form of the cancer and the use of the modality, but I'm not sure if I can actually say that I would have been able to cure her. I feel sometimes we have to go through a process. I know this is going to sound terrible, but I think we had to go through this process with her so we could learn how to live because that's the one thing that she taught us was how to live. How to live while you're dying. She had this wonderful phrase where she said, she would always say that she had a really great sense of tumor versus sense of humor. [00:35:55] Ashley James: Oh my gosh. That's really beautiful. My mom passed away of cancer, and she did not do chemo radiation She chose not to. By the time they found it, it was end-stage. I guess she was just so healthy. When you look in Naturopathic medicine there's an idea that we have a strong vis or the body has a strong will to be healthy. Some people have a weak vis or their constitution is weaker. Those who have a strong constitution, which my mom did, unfortunately, those kind of people will push their body to the point of breaking before they know something's wrong, and that was my mom. She was healthy, healthy, healthy, dying of cancer. It was just like that—one or the other. It was Easter of 2002, Easter came late that year, it was like late March. Easter 2002, she was having pain in her side, went to her chiropractor because she thought she threw her rib out during yoga. She called me and I was having the same pain. I've got that intuition thing where if someone's injured I feel the pain in the same area. I called my mom and I was telling her about my pain. She's like, I have the pain in the same area too, which is like the liver radiating and she thought it was a rib. She goes to the chiropractor, the chiropractor immediately sends her—he's such a good chiropractor—says, "You are going in today for an ultrasound of your liver. Something's wrong." She was in Florida. She got an ultrasound. That day flew to Ottawa, Canada, got into an MRI that night, and by that night was diagnosed with liver cancer. She passed away July 26 of that year. She was just doing some natural medicine, which the doctors actually think extended her life by a few months because of the size of the cancer and how it had metastasized to her lungs, her colon, and all these other areas. But watching her go through that emotional process of knowing you're dying, accepting it, and also—living while dying. Yeah, I can understand that. There was a lot of sadness and regret, and also a lot of love and surprise. She couldn't believe how supportive my dad was during that time because my dad was always one of those people that's just like, suck it up. You're not sick. Stop telling your body you're sick. Suck it up. He was by her bedside 24/7 and there's so much love pouring out of him. My mom never in a million years would have thought that he would be so nurturing, and he's like of course, this is real. He never wanted to give any mental power to feed into an illness. When you have a fever, just tell your body you're well. That was his thing, mind over matter. But she thought he would just tell her to suck it up. You have cancer, suck it up. It's just really funny watching that they actually healed their marriage, and it was really beautiful to watch. There is so much love and healing going on. Yeah, I can look at aspects of her final weeks and months and see the emotional beauty in it. We're all going to die, and if we can gain those lessons, those learnings, if we can spread that love then, then that's beautiful. [00:39:52] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: She also knew where she was going as well. She had a very strong belief system. She was able to share with me what it was like, where she was going. That also gave her some of that comfort as well and that strength. What was so beautiful was just that she maintained her humor through the whole thing. She would make us laugh even when she was hurting. She also helped me understand how I can help others when they're going through that process as well. Everybody has a to-do list, something that they've wanted to accomplish, something that they wanted to get done. That was my job was to help her with the things that she needed to accomplish before she passed. One of those was we wrote letters to every single one of her family members that she wanted to leave information to, her friends and so on. When she was having some of those lucid moments where she could keep some make some really good language and express what she wants to, I wrote so quickly what it was she wanted them to hear and say and kind of her last memories of them. So on the day of the service, I was able to give those letters to each of these individuals, which was one of the greatest gifts that she's given to any of them because she lived on. We recorded every session that we had together. We videotaped things, just so that we could share the memories. She has two younger sisters that are twins. I interviewed her for all the moments that she was going to be missing like prom, graduation, and things like that that the kids would be involved in. I said, "Okay, so the twins are getting ready for their prom. What's the day like and what are you guys doing?" I recorded that so that they could have that memory too because I know. It's not just us that's losing this wonderful person, it's the family too. She got to live on, and she still does. [00:42:06] Ashley James: And really, healing is about not just our body. We're not just a meat sack. We have to look at the impact we have on others and our family and go beyond that. That's really beautiful to take into account as part of healing. To take into account those around us that both impact our life and that we impact their lives. I love that idea of recording for future events. That's really beautiful. What comes to mind is Dr. Hamer's work with Meta-medicine. Where do you stand on that? I'm sure you've studied that as one possible way of understanding cancer. Where do you stand on that now as a perspective with your experience with your friend who passed away of brain cancer? [00:43:06] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Well, I truly feel like whatever the body creates the body can heal. When we have a virus such as cancer that invades our body, I truly feel we can heal it, and it's on the way in which we approach it. With my niece, the way we approached it was the way that she was able to manage some of her pain and also to try to decrease that tumor as it was starting to grow is we started using visualization techniques where I said, "Okay, act like it's a Pac-man and that Pac-man is eating that tumor." She'd try it and then she would go, "Yeah, it doesn't work." I said, "What would work?" And she goes, "How about Alka-Seltzer? I'm putting this little Alka-Seltzer tablet in a glass of water and it's just sizzling, and as it's bubbling away it's destroying the tumor." I said, "Go for it." She was even using a form of meditation at that point. I feel like when we can actually identify that there is something foreign in our body, because we all know we have cancer that resides in our body. It's just not active at this point. When we identify and it's starting to show some symptoms that we do have it, then let's destroy it through our body. Let's identify it and use all the means we can. I feel that that's where this integrative medicine comes in is identifying it, using the body's potential to heal itself, and to get rid of it. Some medications won't work. I agree that sometimes we do want to use medications, and that would be in the acute episodes of a distressful situation such as heart attacks, high blood pressure, or something like that. Get people to a point where they're stable, but now we have to take them off the medication. I think that's where we are not really doing what we need to in the medical field right now is getting people off the medications that got them to a point where they're stable. Get them to a point where they're able to manage it through their diet and do these drastic changes that need to happen in their lifestyle changes and then let's get to work. But get them off the medications because we're not designed to be on them. [00:45:19] Ashley James: Yeah, no kidding. I know cancer's a tough one because if we're looking at everything that led up to it, the terrain of the body and the years it took. There are holistic oncologists and naturopathic oncologists and they say it can take somewhere up to eight years before it actually appears as a tumor right. Some cancers and some forms of cancer take many years to get to the point where the body's gotten sick enough, worn down enough, or toxic enough to create that cancer. There are different schools of thought like with Dr. Hamer's work, the belief that that it's an emotional event so jarring that the person could not comprehend or overcome it, and the body's neurological and hormonal response to a major emotional event, which he did over 30,000 case studies on and was able to actually help some of those people reverse the cancers by working on the emotional component of what triggered it. I'm sorry, I'm having a brain fog. I interviewed him, I'm having a brain fog at the moment. His last name is Dr. Simoncini in Italy. He believes all cancer is a form of candida basically. He's been able to, with over 70% success rate, kill tumors—even brain tumors—by making a—and this is a great interview to listen to by the way for anyone who wants to listen to something just totally freaky. He creates a port, but he's a surgeon. He creates a port going into the vasculature that feeds the tumor and then makes a solution of sodium bicarbonate, which he says everyone knows. Everyone knows that's how you kill candida. You kill yeast with sodium bicarbonate solution. He would just basically mix these two together in a very specific solution and pour it into the tumor. It's not going to damage the body. The body just has a buffer system to bring up or down the pH as needed. But he pours this into the tumor and most of the time, that day or within days the tumor is dead—gone. He has over 70% success rate, which means maybe in some cases it's not candida. But we're looking at this, for these holistic doctors who have exceptional results with cancer, that on some levels, there's an emotional component and people's cancer goes away after that. On some level, we've heard of some people who had like skin cancer just completely fall off and go away when they used a concentrated form of cannabis topically. We hear these things. [00:48:38] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yeah, Rick Simpson. [00:48:39] Ashley James: Right, Rick Simpson oil. There are some great videos that are like 15 years old on YouTube of Rick Simpson talking about these or about 12 years ago. It's all fringe because of course with the way our medical system is now, the only acceptable form of medicine in the United States and in many other countries that follow suit is surgery, chemo, radiation. But if we go to Europe, a standard form is also used, in addition to those. They also use hyperbaric chambers, ozone therapy, and hyperthermia. Those treatments are not allowed to be used by oncologists here, but are regularly used by oncologists in Europe with success. And then we have the more fringe stuff like Dr. Simoncini putting sodium bicarbonate. Can you imagine if all the oncologists in the United States just started off by using sodium bicarbonate solution directly poured into the vasculature of the tumor through a port, just to see if that could kill it first. First of all, how many lives we could save, how much money the pharmaceutical companies wouldn't make right. Unfortunately, there's that money component. But looking at this, there's also a belief that tumors are related to parasites. Just this summer there was some great research that came out where they were able to isolate the microbiome of tumors. They discovered that specific tumors have a different microbiome than the rest of the body, and now they've started creating diagnostic tools that they can actually detect—either in blood or saliva—the microbiome of tumors. Specifically identify before the tumor ever gets big enough to show on a scan. They'll be able to detect the tumor because the microbiome, which then leads us to think if the body is so out of balance that it has these kinds of bacteria in it. The body's like a petri dish. It's going to give this bad bacteria a home. Is that the cause of the cancer, or does the cancer itself then create? What happens? Does the cancer create the microbiome? Does the microbiome create cancer? There's so much to explore here, and we're really limited in the holistic space because we're up against the pharmaceutical industry that really wants to protect its dollars. But we have to be open-minded. You have, at your fingertips, the tools that support the body's ability to come into balance. You can work with nutrition, you can work with energy, lifestyle changes, detoxification methods. Your whole thing is not treating the disease but actually just supporting the body's ability to come back into balance. Because if the petri dish of the body is so healthy, it cannot support the candida. It cannot support the parasites. It cannot support that disease from living in it. This is where we are. We have to rise above the pharmaceutical philosophy where they're just treating symptoms, and come at it from your perspective. Since you graduated and you became a Ph.D. in Integrative Medicine, you've been working with all kinds of amazing clients doing this kind of therapy. What have you been really happy to achieve? I know you don't do the work, the person does the work. I get you're not treating them, but what are you really happy about? With the results that your clients have received, what are you really, really excited about? [00:52:34] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Well, first of all, to go back to what you were talking about, I agree with everything you said about the emotions, about the bioterrain, about parasites, and candida. I have found that candida has been a leading cause of many of the people that I see related to cancer. We started working on getting rid of the candida through diet and through different supplements and stuff like that, as well as through detoxing. Found that they started to show a decrease in those symptoms as well. I agree with everything you said. Louise Hay actually talks about how emotions have a huge impact on our disease process and looking at some of the unresolved emotions that may be leading to those diseases and causing them. That's one of the things that I always recommend to my clients is that they read that book, for example, because oftentimes, there is an unmet emotion or unresolved emotion that is causing some of this disease in their body. But to get back to your question, yes, I have these resources that are available, and I love it. What I love the most about what I'm able to provide to my clients is giving them their power back. What I mean by that is giving them their power to heal themselves, to know that they can, to love themselves again—that's a big one, to resolve some of those hurts, and to realize that we don't have to always look for other people's approval of who we are, what we've become. It's really only our own approval of what we are doing, who we are, what we want to become. I think because of the advent of social media and how much social media people are involved in and just media in general, we've given our power to so many other people that now they own our power. The medical industry, the pharmaceutical industry, they own our power because they basically say, I can't heal you unless you take this, or I don't know what's wrong with you therefore you need to have a psych eval, or all of this. Yet the power is within. We just have to help them find it. That's what I love when I see my client say, oh, aha. They have an aha moment or they go, so this is why, and then they resolve it and they're feeling so amazing. All the symptoms that they were having are gone and they're actually having a joyous life. Then they're like is this supposed to be what it's like? Because they've been living in this world for so long of lack, of feeling that they're not worth it. One of the questions I always ask is what do you love about yourself? If it takes 10 minutes to come up with one thing that they love about themselves, we need to work on that self-love first because healing will have a hard time happening if you don't love yourself. That's what I like the most is what I'm passing on to most of my clients is that ability to love themselves and knowing that it's okay to do it. That you don't have to do this brainwashing, and really work with the children now too. I am working with younger children and helping them realize to love your body, to love your mind, love who you are. Don't let others turn you into somebody that you aren't because of getting their approval, wanting them to be liked, or something like that. Just shine bright and live very comfortably in that light. [00:56:28] Ashley James: Can you share with us some specific results that clients have achieved through working with you? [00:56:38] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: How long is your show? [00:56:44] Ashley James: Stories of success. Any that come to mind that you want to share. [00:56:48] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Well, I actually have several. One of the first ones is a lady who had come in to see me mainly just because she just wanted to feel better. Really had no real specific illness or anything like that. Just didn't feel quite herself and just wanted to feel better. As I'm doing my assessment on her and I'm reviewing her symptomology and the things that she wants, one of the first things I always ask is can I look at your tongue? As she's sticking her tongue out I notice that half of her tongue is paralyzed. I'm like, "Interesting, what happened here?" She goes, "Oh, I had a surgical procedure. It was an endarterectomy and they nicked a nerve. Basically, this half of my tongue has been paralyzed ever since." I said, "Well, how long was that?" She goes, "About three years ago." I went, "Really? And it hasn't regenerated?" She goes, "No, they said basically, there's nothing they can do." She'd gone to speech therapy, she went to different things and nothing changed. I went, huh, okay. I'm thinking to myself, I'm going to look at that and see if I can address that with my Biofeedback. So I did, and I worked on her for a total of three sessions. After the first session she came back the next week and she said, "Is it my imagination or is my tongue getting better?" I said, "Well, let me look at it." So she sticks it out and there is some movement. I'm like, it does look like it's getting better, but I didn't want to give her false hope so I said, "Well, I think there is some improvement." So I worked on her again, and the next time she comes back and she goes, "Oh there's definitely some improvement." I said, "Show me," so she showed me again. The last time I saw her she had full function of her tongue. The one thing that we were working on was the slurring of the speech because as a result of the tongue being paralyzed for so long, she had developed these behaviors or these patterns within her speech where it would come off as slurred speech, so she sounded like she was always drunk. She had called me one day and left me a message and said, "You're not going to believe it but now I have full function on my tongue. I actually got to eat a hamburger for the first time without having to chop it up into little bites. And I didn't have to take my finger and sweep the inside of my cheek to get the pocketing of the food out. I was actually able to use my tongue. Now, when I speak, people don't think I'm drunk all the time because I'm not slurring my words." When I see her in town I'll ask her, "Stick out your tongue," and she'll stick it out very sassily with a lot of flair because she can because it's working. Did I anticipate that that would work, or that I would see an improvement in that? I didn't, but the belief system you know is a strong thing. Sometimes we're giving miracles like that, and she was one of those miracles where I really didn't think—I mean, not that I didn't think it would work. I was just keeping it open. Letting the universe do the work that it needed to. [01:00:13] Ashley James: You didn't have expectations. The way you do the Biofeedback, which you can do in person or remote, which is my experience. The remote worked. It's helping whatever the body needs to correct. It goes through every system of the body and whatever the body needs to correct it does. It's so interesting. I'm a master practitioner and trainer of neuro-linguistic programming. My teacher worked with a client who was in a fire and had half of his face scarred. He did emotional work called timeline therapy where he healed from the emotional scarring of those events, and the man's skin—this is years before. The doctors are like you will always have a disfigured face, you always have these scar burns. What I think is really interesting is how the skin remembers to keep creating scar tissue. I've taken anatomy in college. I understand. There are layers of the skin. You damage the layer deep enough, you damage that third layer, and you're done, you've always got a scar. This is what the medical system says. But the body has to keep creating scar tissue because we constantly are shedding skin. The body has to remember to not produce healthy normal skin and instead produce a scar over and over and over and over and over again long after the scar isn't needed anymore. The scar isn't needed, but the memory, the body keeps doing it. This is what I think is funny because we've learned now in more recent years that even adults have stem cells. If our body has the ability to produce stem cells, we can recreate healthy skin. What's going on? But there's a belief to hold on to scars. After he did this emotional work called timeline therapy, which I'm a huge fan of and also a master practitioner and trainer of, his face started having the scar dissipate over time because it takes a few weeks or whatever for new skin to rise to the surface and he no longer had the scars on his face of the fire. That's just one example. There are so many other examples or stories where the body, whence the emotions are healed, the belief system changed, the body follows suit. For your client, was the nerve actually damaged three years later, or was she holding on to them—the body on an energetic level is holding on to the memory of the injury and continuing to perpetuate the injury into the future? You've seen this in occupational therapy because people will hold on to a holding pattern in their gait. You watch them walk in their gait as they walk away towards you, and you'll see where the body is holding on to an old injury or compensating for an injury that's no longer there. Z-Health is a great form of medicine designed by a chiropractor where you wipe away mentally by working on the nerves in all the joints. You wipe the slate clean so your brain resets back to normal. I've seen people who have been holding on to old injuries after doing even one session of Z-Health walk differently, move their bodies differently like more freely. Again, you cannot separate the unconscious, the mind, or energy or energetic body, from the physical. It's all connected. But how much of our illness is being perpetuated by our belief system? How much of our illness is being perpetuated by a memory that our body has to continue to hold on to it? I love the work you do because you're resetting the brain, you're resetting the belief system, you're resetting the body back to homeostasis. [01:04:54] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Well, it's also finding out how this disease serves this person. That's one thing that is a hard question to ask because most people will say what are you trying to say? That I'm coming up with this on my own and that I'm manifesting this? I said, "Well let's talk about that." Because some of the really big breakthroughs that I've seen as well with clients is when you realize that they have become their diagnosis. Now they associate themselves with it. For example, I learned this in some of the work with Dr. Joe Dispenza. When we keep referring to our diagnosis of let's say fibromyalgia. He calls this the water cooler conversation when all the people at work get together, they start talking about their weekend, and they're standing at the water cooler. Everybody will be talking about the fun that they had, and then you have that one person that says, well because of my fibromyalgia I wasn't able to do this, because of my fibromyalgia I wasn't able to do this, and because of that, I wasn't able to do this. So basically, they're making their fibromyalgia much stronger in their body. It's wherever you place your focus you place your energy. The more energy they put towards that fibromyalgia, the more symptoms that they would have. So then, you have to ask what do you gain from telling people you have fibromyalgia or even acknowledging that you have it? What's the gain that you get? Oftentimes, this is where I've seen some huge breakthroughs with my clients because that's a question that's really hard to ask because then they have to ask themselves that same question about what am I gaining from it? In many cases, what they're getting is the attention of people. They're getting the love from, let's say, a spouse that because you have this pain I'm going to take care of this for you, or not having to do the housework, or not having to do this or what. So internally, there is a return on that investment of fibromyalgia. Once you can actually identify, and I'm not saying this happens with everybody, but in some of the most chronic conditions that I've seen where it's really been debilitating when we can do that level of work and get that acknowledgment or even who hurt you when you're a child? Or going to the ancestral piece of healing and going back to that child and healing the child from all these traumas that they may have experienced that now is starting to manifest as an adult. When we can go back and do that, that's when you get that aha, you see it, and it's like wow. And then they come back and they say, "You're not going to believe what happened. I went a whole week without any pain because I didn't need it anymore. It wasn't serving me anymore. I didn't need it anymore." And that's a beautiful thing. [01:08:03] Ashley James: Fascinating. You've worked with people who have the symptoms of fibromyalgia? [01:08:12] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yes. I work with all different types of pain. [01:08:16] Ashley James: Oh, yeah. Absolutely, I bet. But specifically, fibromyalgia is very invasive. I have a friend—this was 10 years ago, 12 years ago. She showed me two drawers in her nightstand, two nightstand drawers full of meds to manage her fibromyalgia. She also had a morphine pump. She had some kind of pump attached to her body that would constantly drip a pain medicine. I think it was morphine. I was talking to her about nutrition and how Dr. Wallach, who's one of my mentors, says that fibromyalgia is a nutrition deficiency—largely mineral deficiency—and a lot of times, even just incorporating selenium really helps. I talked to her about wanting to get her on all 90 essential nutrients—vitamins, minerals, amino acids, fatty acids. I think she just went out to any old store and bought selenium. I don't even know if it was good quality selenium or whatever, but she got on it. I was talking to her like, "Okay, please, take some vitamins, take some minerals." I was showing her the ones that I've been using for the last 10 years, and she reported to me that she cut her pain meds in half. Literally, an entire nightstand drawer of meds is gone. That's just by incorporating one of the 60 minerals that the body needs. That just goes to show. Now, of course, you have to look at the mental and emotional component, the spiritual, and the energetic. You have to look at everything, but man, if you can have just that much leeway—cut your meds in half by incorporating one mineral. That would be the gateway. Okay, I'm all in. Let's do holistic medicine. Let's see how better I can get. But when we have a secondary gain from a disease—like if it really is on an unconscious level—giving us something that we're lacking, then then we're not really motivated to fully heal it. Because maybe it's part of our identity at that point, or maybe it's how we compensate for wanting love or attention. [01:10:34] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: I actually got to see this with my dissertation that I did for my Ph.D. My topic was on chronic pain, and I was using ultrasound over acupuncture points as my intervention. I was using qEEG, which is qualitative EEG, to map the brain prior to the intervention and after the intervention to see how the brain would change as a result of this intervention. I would do the EEG first and see where the pain manifested itself in the brain based on the brain wave activity. And then I would do the intervention. The intervention was based on whatever their pain was and everything else. I used the same five points with each of my clients, and then I used five different points based on their specific level of pain. That way, I could do a really good analysis of how the points work. Every single person in my study showed a significant reduction in their pain just from one session of the ultrasound over acupuncture points. But what I did find—I was expecting to see this but I wasn't sure if I would—is that the people who had an emotional attachment to the pain. What I mean by that is whether it was brought on by another person's accident, an injury, or let's say a physical abuse of some sort, if there was a huge amount of emotional attachment to it, the pain symptoms went down, but the pain response moved from the sensory-motor cortex of the brain to the emotional part of the brain. That showed me how strongly the emotions hold pain in the body. That also opened up a whole new avenue for me to address pain and really look at the emotional attachment to it. The ones that had no emotional attachment to the pain, their pain completely went away. That showed me, first and foremost, that this intervention works. The second thing that was a wonderful experience was to see how emotions have a huge impact. That's why when we're giving pharmaceuticals, why the pharmaceuticals don't work. When someone who is in so much pain wants to get an increase in their pharmaceutical medication or another one, and they're being considered a drug seeker or something like that from the pharmacy or from the physician or whomever, it's because we are not actually getting to the root cause of the pain. We're just covering it. It's up to the practitioners to identify that, and we haven't. That's where we're failing our clients. When I saw this study, when I actually saw it with my own eyes, I looked at pain in a whole another way. That in itself has helped so much with my clients getting better. Because one of the things with the Biofeedback—when I am assessing somebody on that—it will always bring emotion to whatever we're looking at, and it's a subconscious unconscious emotion. When I see this emotion come up, I'll ask them, "So this is showing a resistance to change. Let's talk about that." They're like, "Oh, yeah. That's totally me." Or there's some anger, frustration, anxiety, or something associated with it. Let's talk about that. Let's resolve that so that this condition has a better potential to heal. [01:14:27] Ashley James: Oh my gosh. Your Ph.D. dissertation sounds amazing. What an incredible experience to actually see that for those who were holding on an emotional level, the pain was there. Physical pain was there actually because there was emotion around it. That you could actually see it move into the emotional centers of the brain. Were you able to help those people? Did you work on healing emotions? And then did you see in the brain scan that it was gone? [01:15:07] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Well, for the time of the study I didn't get to actually do any additional testing afterward because I was leasing the equipment and it was quite expensive, so I wasn't able to do that one. But when I was able to share the results with these individuals—as far as the emotional component to it—then that actually started the work of the healing of really identifying that when it came to that. The ones that had the healing from just the points and no emotional component, I just showed them which points to use and how to press on those points and to help relieve their pain if it should ever come back. That gives them their tools as well. That gives them their power back. But yeah, we did address the emotional piece to it. [01:15:56] Ashley James: Normally I don't glorify pharmaceuticals, as you can imagine. I did this really interesting interview with a psychologist who works with ketamine for healing emotions. He has a clinic that has an incredible success rate. I think it's over 70% success rate in helping people with addiction. Whereas I think Betty Ford, for example, is 30% or less than that success rate—in terms of people quitting alcohol or drugs and then never getting back on them. They have an incredibly high success rate, and that's because of the ketamine—much like LSD but half the half-life in the body. LSD maybe you're tripping for 12 hours or something, whereas ketamine, they can dose it so you're only in that state for about four to six hours. And then during that time, they do therapy. But what it does, and these are people who have huge emotional wounds. People who have come back from war, they have post-traumatic stress, they've been in abusive relationships. They're using substances to just numb and cope with the horrors that their brain keeps reliving. The ketamine, like LSD—and they've done studies on this for many years, and also microdosing psilocybin—magic mushrooms. Some psychologists do that as well. They all pretty much do the same thing where it has the critical faculty melt away and allow us to gain positive learnings from those experiences without being triggered and traumatized while working through them. What's very interesting—so this doctor has a clinic and he's working with the ketamine basically helping people open up so they can do the therapy, and then they really get to the root cause, and they have incredible results. But he himself had chronic, chronic, chronic shoulder pain for years that was debilitating shoulder pain. He didn't want to get addicted to pain meds, and it was because he tore a bunch of stuff in his shoulder from martial arts years before. He kept re-injuring it. It was just a really messy deal. He did one dose of ketamine without any therapy—just one dose of ketamine—and the pain went away for six months. One tiny dose, and then he says every six months he takes a microdose. He takes a microdose every six months. It's interesting because he said some people get emotional healing by themselves. They just do this one dose of ketamine, and of course, this is all in a therapeutic setting. They take away cell phones, they don't have the TV on, there are no magazines, there are no books because your mind is open now and anything could come in. But some people go through huge healing just by being in that state and working out stuff, working out stuff on their own. That's what he did. [01:19:19] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: I love it. [01:19:20] Ashley James: He has had people who no longer have post-traumatic stress, no longer have major psychological episodes, and no longer have an addiction. The side effect of this treatment is also people who are in chronic pain for years no longer have chronic pain. Again, I don't love to glorify any kind of medication, but there are tools that we can use when we need it. But looking that it sped up the process so they could actually do the emotional work, and the emotional work was able to then have them no longer have chronic pain, post-traumatic stress, anxiety, fear running their life, and substance abuse, which is fascinating. If we can heal and really acknowledge that our pain and disease can be at the root, in the emotional centers of the brain. When we work on that in conjunction with eating a healthy diet and all those other things to just support the body as a whole, but that acknowledge that mental and emotional health is incredibly important and that we can address it with these amazing technologies like remote Biofeedback, which is really cool. [01:20:40] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Well, you know what, Ashley, I learned a lot from this one client pertaining to this particular topic. As we were doing the emotional work when it came to her pain level, she was basically saying, "I have all these friends and family that never come to see me, but the pain is something I can rely on every day that will come." [01:21:05] Ashley James: Whoa. [01:21:07] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: I was like, yeah, exactly. I had the same response. I was like, wow, that really showed a lot of work on her part to acknowledge that, to notice it, and then to say this is why I have it. This is why I keep it because it's the one thing I can rely on every single day that will show up at my door is pain. I never looked at it that way, but that was quite mind-blowing for me. The pain had actually become her friend. So it made me look at it in a different light, and then we just needed to identify something else. That was really her own sense of self-worth, and that you don't need outside people to provide you the love and all of that. Let's work on the love inside and let's work on that own self-esteem, that self-love to where you don't care if people call you, want to speak to you, or whatever because you have the joy in your heart. You have that joy. But that was kind of an aha moment for me as well. I love it when I get to learn from my clients because I feel like every opportunity that we are with clients is a learning opportunity as well. As far as how we can help others, as far as how we can help even ourselves in our own personal life. That was pretty profound for me to hear that. [01:22:27] Ashley James: That's amazing. I'm still blown away by your work when you did your Ph.D. dissertation. What an incredible experience and also to then turn around and show the client like see, here's your brain. Look, the chronic pain moved into these emotional centers. I know several people with chronic pain who there's no medical reason for it. They do scans, oh there's nothing. There's nothing there. There's no medical reason for it. Go for a psych eval, whatever. They just get on stronger and stronger pain meds, which the body adapts to and can basically override. The medical system doesn't answer for them because they don't see anything on a scan. When you show someone here's your pain—in your brain here's the pain—and look it moved now because of the acupressure. Here, the root of it's actually over here in the emotional center, and you're showing them. First of all, you believe them. There's actual evidence. There's a reason for it. You're not crazy. It's not all in your head. It's in your brain, but it's not all made up. It's very validating. I just remember feeling so sick for so many years and the doctor's really not having any answers for me until I went to natural medicine. It was very validating 12 years ago when I went to a holistic—she was an MD who actually gave up her MD-ness, gave up her license when she realized she was just a drug dealer. What she really wanted to do was be an integrative functional medicine practitioner and really ahead of her time. She showed me in labs that no other MD had drawn because they all said, okay, there's nothing really wrong with you. She showed me in labs why I was so sick and that I needed natural medicine to get better. She showed me that path, and that was so validating. Oh, here's why you can't get out of bed. Here's why you are so tired. Here's why you are like walking dead every day. She showed me on those labs and she could validate it instead of all the other doctors that basically just wanted to put me on drug after drug and said there's no evidence for it. And then natural medicine got me well so fast that I dedicated my life to wanting to share this information, you have as well. So helping someone who has been suffering for years, to show them that their suffering is valid—it's real—then help them heal from it, and then help them come back into balance. Can you tell us more about the remote Biofeedback, specifically the SCIO—the work that you do? How does it work? Can you just walk us through or paint the picture so we have a deeper understanding of it? [01:25:45] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Absolutely. Well, first of all, I have the pleasure and the leisure of being able to have as long of a session with the client as I want. My minimum amount of time that I spend with a client is two hours, and that's almost unheard of these days. But in those two hours, you get a lot accomplished. What I see is that most of the time, within the first 15, 20, 30 minutes, the client is just getting warmed up. What I mean by that is they're just getting comfortable with someone actually sitting there actively listening, hearing what they have to say, believing in what they have to say as well, and validating. Like what you just said, that their symptoms are real, that they're not going crazy, that they know their body better than anybody else, and they know when it's not right. Intuitively, they know there's something wrong with their body. For me to be able to spend the two hours that I want to with a client allows me that opportunity to really get to know them, not only the emotional, but like you, I do the neuro-linguistic programming as well, and I look for that non-verbal language that's telling me things that they're not ready to tell me yet but their body's telling me. That helps me identify areas to look into when I go into the Biofeedback. The way that the Biofeedback works, especially remotely, is they send me a sample of hair or saliva and a questionnaire that I sent to them to complete that I can actually then enter that data into the computer. Most of the time, I like to have them on the phone with me on Skype or in other means so that they can also see the same screen that I am using with the Biofeedback because I feel education is so important. Especially educating them as to how their body works and how it responds, and looking at it in a different perspective, not as a computer, but that this is a live being that is full of emotions and psychological issues and so on. The way that the Biofeedback works, with the hair sample, it's not a cut sample. It is actually hair that is pulled from the scalp that has the root ball. Because anybody who's ever had a hair analysis, you want to pull the hair and get a root ball because that's your DNA and so it reads your DNA. Similar to a cell phone, with a cell phone you have a specific phone number. You can be anywhere in the world and you can be located. That's how this Biofeedback works. When I put that hair sample or the saliva sample on the SCIO box, it has this metal plate on the top that reads things. If somebody wants their water tested, for example, they just bring in a water sample and I place it on the box and it'll read their water to tell me if there are any pollutants in there that are not working for them. It's going against their own constitution and things like that if there are any heavy metals things like that in there. The same thing with their hair or their saliva, it reads it. It's being able to then to find them wherever they are in the world. They can either be on the phone or just be completely laying on their couch with no connection with me whatsoever, it's still working. Like the phone, it picks up their frequency, their vibration, and then it reads it. On my computer then with the SCIO, it's reading everything energetically from the lymphatic system to the blood, to hormones, to scanning the spine, the nerves, the cranial nerves, teeth. I can actually do a dental assessment to see five different areas of decay and things like that's going on, which is absolutely amazing. The chakra systems, the auras, I mean everything. Literally, I don't know if there's anything that I can't touch at this point, and it reads it. As it's reading it, it does a three-minute assessment, and then it comes up with this record. It's literally 10,000 options of symptoms as well as training that you can provide to that client. And then it grades it on a scale of the most acute, to the next acute, to the third, and to the fourth, and then what's considered chronic. Maybe hanging around for a while and undetected. That's where I find a lot of things that have not been detected by the medical side of things because all the symptomatology is taking all the attention where the root cause is sitting behind the scenes. That's typically where I'll find some of the root causes of their disease process, and then we look at it all. It'll tell me about allergies and sensitivities. It'll tell me if they've got parasites, if they've got worms, if they've got pathogens of some sort that is causing this disease. And then we start identifying it as a team. What I mean by that is I say, "What is on this screen that you'd like to look at further?" Then I educate them as far as what it's doing, how this is working. As we identify, I can actually test each particular area even further to see just how reactive their body is to that particular thing. That's when it actually will show me what it's linked to. Is it linked to blood, is it linked to the liver, is it linked to organs? And it'll also give me an emotion that it's linked to. For example, if it's a parasite, then I'll say, "There's this one particular parasite it's taking a while to rectify, and what I mean by rectifying is that rectification means that you've been able to switch the energetics of that particular thing to where it's no longer reactive in the body. Once I get it to this rectification, then we move on. But prior to that, that's when I can actually test it individually to say what else is going on? That's when the emotions will show up, and I'll say, okay there's this emotion showing up. What do you think about this?" And they said, "Well, I thought I resolved that a while ago." "Well, it's probably still hanging around a little bit." It's absolutely fascinating. Like I said, somebody could have a pain in their body, for example, like sciatic nerve pain. Anybody who's had it it's painful. As I'm doing the spinal scan, they could actually see the picture of a spine, and it'll show a little box where they're showing the most energetic issues going on within the spine. I'd say a good 95% of the cases that's exactly where the pain is actually coming from, which part of the spine is it coming from. What most people don't realize is that a lot of the pain symptoms we have, most of the time either come from the spine or the nerves that are coming through the spine and through the spinal cord. When we can identify that, we can get to the root cause of what that pain is and then, therefore, resolve it. That's where I think a lot of the aha moments go for the client is to be able to see, oh, so it's not actually the muscle that's damaged or hurt, it's the nerve that feeds the muscle. Absolutely. So we're going to work on this nerve—give it some good energy, give it some good frequencies and some vibrations because we can actually raise the frequency in each of these different modalities within the SCIO to where we're raising it to where now the body has the potential to heal. That's a beautiful thing. Many people will say, are you working on my eyes right now? I can feel you in my liver, I can feel you in my gallbladder, or I can feel you in the bladder. Wow, I actually feel really good right now. I feel like I'm getting this big jolt of energy. I love it when people can actually feel that energetic exchange that's going on between the SCIO, myself, and them. That's how it works. [01:34:19] Ashley James: Have people had something really overt happen around parasites after working with you doing remote Biofeedback where dead parasites have come out of their stool or something? You're laughing. Can you share some stories of success with parasites? [01:34:37] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Oh, yes. I have some pretty horrific stories. [01:34:42] Ashley James: I can't wait. Tell me, tell me. [01:34:45] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Actually, a couple of people, not just one in particular, but this one really stands out. She had come to me because she wanted to lose weight and was very stagnant. Everything was stagnant in her body. Just really didn't feel like she had any energy and all that. One of the first things I found was parasites and a ton of different types of parasites. It wasn't just one parasite. It was several that were residing in her body. [01:35:08] Ashley James: It never is. It's never just one parasite. It's so true. All the doctors I talked to that work on parasites, it's never just one because the body has created this environment where they're all invited to the party. [01:35:26] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yes, and the more types of food that we feed it that it likes then it's like yeah, we're going to stay here because they're feeding us well. But in this one particular case, I was working on her parasites on the Biofeedback. She's in the room with me, so she's got the harness on, she's got the wristbands on, they're all connected to the computer, and they're all reading it. As I'm working on her—okay, this is going to freak you out, but I saw something moving in her eye. [01:35:59] Ashley James: I knew you were going to say that. [01:36:03] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: I looked in closely and there's this parasite coming out of her eye—the eyeball itself, and it was just wiggling around. She could feel it. She's like, "I feel like I have something in my eye." That's what made me look at her eye closer. "Let me see," because I didn't see her rub her eye or anything so I didn't think she could have gotten anything in it. As I get closer, there's this parasite and it's wiggling around. I'm like, oh my gosh, that's so disgusting. What do you say? "You got a parasite hanging out of your eyeball." That's pretty much what I told her, and she's like, "Oh my gosh." Of course, she wants to look at it, so she's looking at it through a mirror and she could actually see it. She goes, "That is so gross." Then the parasite came out and her eye went back to its normal healthy state. Then later she called me because that pretty much freaked her out, and of course, I came home and was a little freaked out myself. She called me and she said, "That didn't stop." I said, "What do you mean?" She goes, "I had more." And I said, "What do you mean?" She goes, "I had one actually come out of my stomach." [01:37:13] Ashley James: What? Like her skin? [01:37:17] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yes. [01:37:18] Ashley James: Her belly button or her skin? [01:37:21] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yes, out of the skin. [01:37:21] Ashley James: Oh my God. [01:37:22] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: It was out at the side of her belly button. And then her first bowel movement, she said she just saw a ton of them just writhing in the bowel, in the excrement. She had been eliminating them for quite a couple of days after that. But the whole idea is that we made the environment inhospitable for the parasites and so they decided they wanted to leave. [01:37:51] Ashley James: Any means necessary, exiting her body in any way they could. [01:37:58] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yes. Where the parasite had exited from her stomach a blister had started. It did leave a little behind. We monitored that for quite a while, but she continued to get rid of the parasites. She had lost eight pounds in one day. [01:38:24] Ashley James: Oh my gosh. [01:38:25] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Is that all parasites? Maybe not. Some of that may have also been that she was constipated and there was Ebola stuck in her intestines for some time, and it needed to go. Then all the other toxins that were residing within the gut. That's one of the things I like to work on a lot with my clients is gut health because I find that gut health is the key to the majority of the autoimmune issues that we have, as well as a lot of the chronic illnesses that we have, is gut health. What are we feeding it? Also, for people who have Alzheimer's, dementia, or any kind of cognitive like brain fog, oftentimes it's what we are feeding the gut because the gut-brain connection is huge. The gut-heart-brain connection is huge as well, so it's really addressing the gut. When you can address the gut and what we're feeding it and also getting it cleaned out, then we're going to get a much better response and a longer-lasting response. [01:39:24] Ashley James: How many sessions did you do with her, and did you get to the point where the Biofeedback machine was saying that she was parasite-free? [01:39:33] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yeah. I still work with her because what happens is once you resolve one thing, then it's like, oh, can I work on this, can I work on that, and can I work on that. [01:39:49] Ashley James: Once you have worms crawling out like it's running for the exit doors in every possible way, I'm coming to you every week for the rest of my life, no kidding. [01:40:02] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Exactly. [01:40:03] Ashley James: You still work with her, she no longer has parasites, right? The machine said she doesn't have parasites. She's accomplished what she wanted with you? Did she get to the point where she's got her weight loss, and now she's just working on maintaining optimal health with you? [01:40:20] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yeah. Now she just comes once a month just for a little pick-me-up or maintenance, not everybody needs that, but I think she also likes the interactions that we have together. I think it's more of that emotional-spiritual connection that we have. That entangled hierarchy that happens between the clinician and the client. I think that's the majority of it. While we're at it, we're pretty much doing an overall test to see how she's doing physically, with inside—everything. Emotionally and energetically too. It's like you're taking your car into the shop for a tune-up, and that's what she comes in for. [01:41:05] Ashley James: You've worked with thousands of people, both remotely and locally. How many clients have you had where the machine said this person has parasites, like on a percentage? Do you think most people have parasites or 70% percent? What percentage? [01:41:22] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: I would say most. [01:41:24] Ashley James: Really? [01:41:24] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: I would say a good 89%. It really depends on what they eat. [01:41:36] Ashley James: Yeah, it's so huge. Everyone thinks, oh well, I don't eat sushi so I probably don't parasites. But I'm telling you, it's about the environment of the body. They're in our environment, they're in our food. But I'm working with a health coaching client for the last six weeks, and she has gotten such great results. She came to me for—same with you, for weight loss. I'm just helping her like health coaching. I got her on some supplements, changed some things in her diet. She had heartburn so bad that it was constant. Constant heartburn, wake her up in the middle of my heartburn really, really, really bad. I think she said on the sixth day of being on my protocol, her heartburn was gone, and she couldn't believe it. Then it came back a few times when she went off course, so it's like the body's talking to her. She's like, oh, okay. Feedback. Not going to do that again. She's changed her diet completely, changed her routine completely. Going to bed earlier, wearing blue-blocking glasses. We went down the whole list, and I'm not really addressing anything specifically with the gut, although she's eating very healthy, lots of fiber, getting lots of nutrition into her, doing lots of fun little detox things, going for walks, jumping on rebounding for lymphatic—that kind of stuff. Haven't really gotten into any herbs or anything. Just generally getting the body cleaned up, and now she just started passing dead eight-inch long parasites. I'm not even doing the work like you do the work. Within an hour of the work that you do you're getting parasites coming out of people. All I was doing was helping her clean up the environment of her body. Detoxify, eat healthily, take some general supplements for overall nutrition, clean up the stress in her life. Just very, very, very basic like foundation building a strong body. That was enough—within the last six weeks—to change the environment of her body where it's becoming an inhospitable environment for the parasites. That is so cool to see that if we just get the body to the point where it's an inhospitable environment to parasites, that means it's a hospitable environment to our cells. It's like the best environment we can create for our cells on an energetic level, nutrient level, and oxygen level. That is the most inhospitable environment for cancer, candida, parasites—all that kind of stuff. But you get results much faster because you're using this Biofeedback machine. Do you want to tell us what it's like working with you? Let's say listeners—who are all around the world by the way—decide they want to have a session with you. Can you walk us through step by step what it looks like? So we mail you saliva and our hair pulled from the root, which I did with you, by the way. When we visited you, my husband and I and our son gave you samples, and you keep them. I don't want to be paranoid, but I'm always cautious that companies don't sell my DNA. This is in-house, you don't sell the DNA. You have it, so you put it in the machine, and the machine, like you said, is like a phone number. The machine energetically links to us no matter where we are in the world. This is very quantum physics level stuff. [01:45:28] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: It is. [01:45:30] Ashley James: The client—who's anywhere around the world doesn't have to be local to you—sends you their stuff— their hair and their saliva—and then what? Can you just walk us through what the experience is working with you? [01:45:45] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yeah, absolutely. The first thing is they can actually get to my website, which is www.natural-therapeutics.com . There is a contact form where they can actually send me an email saying that they're interested in wanting to receive some Biofeedback, even reiki, or even just like you said, health coaching. Once I get the email, then I send them a form to complete, which is basically a medical form that tells them what the Biofeedback does. It has the HIPAA information as well as their history so that I can get a good idea. And then I instruct them to either send me a hair sample in a baggie. If they don't have hair because I've had some that say well my husband's bald and they would want to send me hair from another part of the body and I would say no, saliva would be fine. [01:46:45] Ashley James: Is it hair or saliva? [01:46:48] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Hair or saliva. It does not have to be both. [01:46:51] Ashley James: Got it. It's not hair and saliva. [01:46:54] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yes. Hair from the head and/or saliva. Some people have really short hair and they can't get a good hair sample, so they will then send me a saliva sample in a plastic bag. [01:47:11] Ashley James: Got it. [01:47:12] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Once I get all of that and I get the form that's been completed, then I contact them to set up a time where we could get on a remote session. Whether it's through Skype, whether it's through Zoom, whether it's through other means, or in some situations some people will say I just don't have time. Can you just run it and then let me know. I prefer our first session as always together because there is a lot of interaction and exchange that occurs during that time. But in a situation where that's not possible, then I could do it without them. Then we set up the session. I say please allow two hours. Drink plenty of fluids before our session because that will enhance the outcome of the session, and try to be as free from any type of distractions as possible. If you can get into a nice comfortable position that would be good, and just plan to be available for two hours while I work on you. And then if they're on Skype or Zoom where they can actually see my session, then I explain everything to them. Because the more they know and understand their body and how it works, especially how it works energetically, then that makes them more of a steward for their body and gives them that power back. Then the first part is I enter information from them, which is on the form that they complete that has their demographic information, it has post health issues such as how many surgeries, how many amalgams that they have, how many medications are they on if they've had any steroids, how much coffee, sugar, or alcohol do they. How much fat is in their diet or processed foods? How much water do they drink, those kinds of things? How much weight would they like to lose if they want to, that kind of thing? Once I get that information, then I start the assessment. That information then will give them a score, and that score is called the SOC, which is suppression and obstruction to a cure. It's basically all of those things that are preventing them from being their ultimate and allowing them to be healthy. Then I let them know what the score means, and that score is their potential to heal themselves. Then it goes through what is considered the VAR HOPP panel, which is the voltage amperage resistance hydration oxygenation proton pressure, which is your pH balance electrons. And then also some other numbers that make sense as far as their healing potential and what's preventing them from healing. Then the screen comes up with all of the 10,000 different remedies and symptomatology that is identifying for them, and then I explain what each of those levels means. The acuity levels, what they mean for that particular person. If there are particular ones, this is when I start to ask for feedback from them. Okay, is there anything on this screen that you'd like to investigate further that doesn't quite make sense to you or what? If they don't have anything, then I go ahead and pick some that I feel has a lot to do with how they're feeling, what they're complaining about, and so on, and then we start the testing. Once we finish the testing on that particular thing, as far as what is the acuity and how much reactivity it's having to them, then I train. Basically, the system starts to train the body to return it back to its homeostasis and return it back to normal. Then we go down different categories, so I can go into the allergies and sensitivities. We can go into parasites and the blood and look at some of those things as well to see what's going on. I go into the spine. The computer already picks a couple of programs that it wants to run based on the way in which the assessment was completed. I run those and then we go down particular areas that they'd like. If somebody's having some pain issues, then I'll scan the spine and the spine will then tell me where their energetic blockages within the spine, then let's resolve them, and then what emotion is holding that. We could look at the chakras and all that. If they have teeth issues, which oftentimes if I see there's a ton of bacteria going on, or if there's resistance, which means how much energy is flowing through the organs. If I see a really low resistance meaning that it's probably a lot of the organs are very toxic because they've even either had a lot of heavy metal exposure, mold exposure, yeast, fungus, parasites, that's going to make that number really low. So then I look into that further. The whole idea is let's evacuate as much of that as possible so that we can get you into a really healthy state. Now, what most people don't realize is that when we're talking about detoxification, especially when it comes to heavy metals, candida, or some of those is that oftentimes the organs are already toxic so they can't filter like they're supposed to. For example, the liver is what filters all of the prescriptions that people are on. If the liver is already toxic and it's not able to filter or release all of those toxins, oftentimes, people will see skin eruptions happening to where now they have psoriasis, eczema, or some kind of acne that is occurring because their liver basically can't filter like it's supposed to, so it's going through the skin instead, which is the largest organ we have anyway. There's usually a correlation between skin, liver, and detoxification. I usually like to get them started on high levels of essential fatty acids so that the detoxification process can happen better. What I mean by that is one of my favorite recipes I like to give people is bulletproof coffee. The reason I like it is because of the MCT oil, which is a medium-chain triglyceride, and the ghee, which is a really wonderful organic clarified butter. When they place it in a regular cup of coffee like a black cup of coffee and they blend it and they drink it, what happens is that those essential fatty acids then allow the organs to—it's kind of like they grease the organ so that things can flow through it easier. You'll actually see people showing a huge change in their cognition where they had brain fog before. Now they're like, oh my gosh, I even remember my locker combination from high school since I started bulletproof or things like that. They have greater energy. Then it's really looking at dietary changes too to help that process. Once we finish the SCIO and we've finished all of the different programming and all that kind of stuff that's going in there, then I create a customized plan for them. This customized plan is basically every morning do this, every afternoon do this, every evening do this, and then the resources to help them with that. I give them what their allergies or sensitivities are so they'll know which foods they should avoid for a little bit. Homework, I give them homework because they need to be just as motivated and involved in their healing process as I am, if not more so. I give them homework, and that homework is going to be let's change your diet. Let's do some energetic work. If you don't do meditation, grounding, or something energetically let's work on that. If I need to have you write a love letter to yourself we're going to do that so we can actually start to improve some love in you. Identifying some of the stressors, things like that. It's really a whole body, a whole person type of program. And then we set up the next session. Typically, when I start somebody, it really depends on what their level of chronicity is, how sick they are, and how stagnant their energy is. If it's really bad, then I would usually recommend that we do a session once a week just for a couple of times just to see how their body is engaged in it and how they're responding to it. In some situations, it might be once every other week, and in some sessions, it might be once a month. It really depends on the individual person. That's how that works. Once I finish the first session and they get their customized plan and then we meet the next time, then they get an updated progress report after each session. That's so that they can track their progress. I've had some people who'll actually put their progress report on their refrigerator because they're excited because they see the numbers improving, they see fewer things that they're having to address, they see the pounds going down, or whatever it is. It's kind of like they're taking credit for their homework that they've been doing. That's how that works. [01:56:28] Ashley James: Very cool. I love it. I had a very interesting experience. I remember our son had his session in person, but we didn't end up hooking him up to the machine because he is… [01:56:48] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Very active. [01:56:50] Ashley James: I think he was still four at the time. He's five and a half now. I think he was about to become five. Yeah, that's right. He was four turning five. That's right because it was just after Christmas. He was still four, very active, and wanted to run around. You actually did a remote session in a sense. He was in the building, but you basically were doing a remote session. It took about two hours, give or take. Maybe a bit longer. What's interesting is I felt it, and it's because the mom has the energetic cord attached to their children. The second you turned on the program I felt my body vibrating. I'm like, oh boy. By the end of it, I felt drunk. I could feel it. My husband couldn't feel it. Our son started to talk very clearly. He doesn't have a speech impediment, but like a four-year-old, they're not enunciating like an adult. He started to talk incredibly clearly, very sophisticated, and he actually has an incredible vocabulary. I remember at two or two and a half he could say the word avocado, and I'm like that's a lot of syllables for a young kid. But he says some very sophisticated things. His grandfather, who's a master's in linguistics, is constantly surprised by the stuff coming out of our son's mouth because of how multi-layered the sentences are. Anyway, as the session's going on, he starts talking much clearer, even more, complicated sentences. He started talking like really deep thought patterns about crystals and healing, and he's just going off on all these interesting things that are coming to his mind. But then after the session, he went to the bathroom. He eats a pretty clean diet, actually, his bowel movements don't really make a smell. I've never noticed a smell. I mean there's nothing, it's not even a smell. He made a smell so putrid, so horrible I thought like there was roadkill in the bathroom. I mean it was the most horrible, but his body was just expelling whatever it was expelling. It was just right after the session, and he actually normally doesn't have a bowel movement at that time of day. He's pretty much clockwork. His digestion is really good like clockwork. He expelled whatever it was. Just amazing came out of him, all those toxins, and then he fell asleep. He just went boom, fell asleep in the car. He didn't have any major health issues other than he was struggling with high histamine and allergies to a lot of foods. Anytime he was exposed to one of his allergens he would have a major asthma attack. Since that time, he has only needed his inhaler twice in the last 10 months. So just looking back, really, he's only had one session from you, but he was at the point where he was like he was needing his inhaler a lot because he would be exposed to it because he's allergic to about nine or twelve different things. There's a ton of fish he's allergic to so I just kind of say okay, that's fish. He doesn't eat any fish, but he also has weird allergies like garlic, which garlic is in everything, so I make everything from scratch for him pretty much because garlic is in everything. But he's also allergic to dust mites. If he goes over to a friend's house and they didn't vacuum every day, basically he comes home with an asthma attack. He did, but after his session with you, he only needed his inhaler while his body was working through a cold or flu, which has been two times in the last 10 months. His reaction to what he's allergic to has really diminished. I didn't really think about it, but I saw that there was that turning point in his health after he had one session with you 10 months ago. And then my session with you, my one session, was also remote. I was unconscious at the time. For most of the session, I wasn't on the phone with you because I was incredibly sick, lying in bed, in and out of consciousness. But I felt you working on me. I kept waking up and then going back to sleep, I felt it. Like I said when I woke up and the session was over, my suffering was gone. All of a sudden I knew that now I'm going to be in recovery. The sickness is over, the suffering is over. Now I'm going to be in recovery. That was really a very interesting experience. Both of those are remote, I mean he was in the vicinity, but still not attached to the machine. We saw results both times—remote. We could talk for hours. [02:02:17] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: When I have children in my clinic, I tend to do them remotely because it's very hard. The youngest I worked with is two, so far. The youngest has been two, and they can't sit still for two hours. I'm sorry, they just can't. If I need to, then I will have them wear the harness for the first 10 minutes. Let's keep them occupied and all that for the first 10 minutes. Basically, that first 10 minutes is the device doing the assessment, the calibration, and all that. Then I can release the child and they can just run. I have tons of toys in the clinic so they can have some fun with that. This is the thing that I like to make sure that most people are aware of is that with a remote or even in person, the person that I'm working with has to give permission for the device to work. A lot of people get a fear factor going thinking, oh, she's just going to work on me no matter when I'm not even thinking about it. No, no, no. The reason I contact people and say can we do this on this date at this time is because then, they're giving me permission to work on them. This device works so much better when you have permission from the client. I won't ever work on anybody without them knowing it, plain and simple. That goes against my own ethics, but it also goes against the ethics of the system as well. That's what I really love about it because a lot of people will think, well, if things go sour with us as a relationship, then she could do some bad things to me. No. First of all, that's not in my heart. That's not who I am. But the device also won't allow me to do that either. [02:04:13] Ashley James: Right, it's a healing device. [02:04:15] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: It's a comfort, yes. [02:04:17] Ashley James: It's a healing device. It can't be weaponized. [02:04:23] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Vindictive. [02:04:28] Ashley James: Unless the person doesn't want to be healed, right? [02:04:32] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yes, and then that will come up as an emotion, subconsciously, in one of their systems, whichever one it's impacting. Usually, it'll show up as resistance to change as an emotion, and then we talk about that and say, okay, the resistance to change is showing up what is this meaning? Or there'll be another emotion that'll show up that will identify that they're wanting to hold on to this for a reason. Sometimes, this is another piece—it'll pick up psychic attack information. If there is someone within your energy field who is not wishing you well, who is vindictive or just left their energy on you. For example, you go to someone's house and you could actually feel the negativity in the house or you can feel something, and then you go home, that psychic attack number could be really high. So then we have to clear that aura. We have to clear that energy out. I do it through the Biofeedback, but then I also give them tools that they can use to also do it as well because if they've been attacked once, it's potentially been attacked again and again and again. So let's teach you ways in which you can actually resolve that and protect yourself. I also teach people how to do muscle testing on themselves to see what food is good for you and what food is not good for you. When they're in the grocery store—in my little small town, I could be walking through the grocery store and I see people muscle testing themselves. I'm like yes. [02:06:09] Ashley James: I love that. I love that. That happened to me. There's a store near me, it's a gluten-free store, which is so cool. We've been gluten-free for 10 years—no barley, wheat, rye, or oats. This store is celiac gluten-free. Everything is certified for celiac. There is this woman who was like I don't know if I'm going to react to this or not. I think she was choosing all the different breads. I can't remember what she was choosing but there were a bunch of different ones that she wasn't sure which one to go with. It was her and I was the only customer in the store at the time. I was like, "Have you ever heard of muscle testing?" I had her drop her purse and her cart. The owner, who's the only employee at the time in the store, is staring at us kind of looking at me like I'm crazy. I showed her how to muscle test, and it was very clear about one product. I had her close her eyes so she didn't know which one it was, but I showed her and then it was really clear which one. It was just a really strong signal. This is the one, the other two were weaker. I showed her and she was just like, "Oh my gosh. That is so cool." It's pretty interesting when we listen to our bodies when we check in with ourselves. Even if you just check in yourself after a meal. Do I feel weakened? Do I feel tired? Do I feel energized? Check-in with yourself even emotionally. How do I feel emotionally after a meal? Because my husband and I both noticed that with certain foods we'll feel angry afterward, or we'll feel really easily irritated. I'm fine but everyone else is pissing me off. It's just interesting that we've been able to correlate that with certain kinds of food or certain kinds of meals. That it affects our energy, it affects our emotions, it affects our hormones. There are so many things beyond just digestion that are affected by what we bring into our bodies. [02:08:17] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Not only that but there's also how we eat with intention. Because sometimes, I would say the majority of our population is very distracted when we eat. We're either watching TV, we're reading, we're having conversations, we're drinking way too much water, or we're drinking too much of something while we're eating. We're not chewing our food enough, so we're wolfing it down. We're eating a meal within 30 minutes and it's done, or sometimes 15 minutes because that's how long you have for your break. But that's a leading reason why people have acid reflux and acid indigestion is because they're not chewing their food enough. Like I mentioned with you before is that 50% of the digestive process happens in the mouth. That's where the digestive enzymes start. If people aren't chewing their food enough, then the stomach then has to produce so much acid to break down that food so that it can actually go through the whole rest of the digestive process. People aren't chewing their food enough, really tasting it, enjoying it, and loving every moment of it, then they're not getting the true essence of that food. That also goes for smoothies. We're into these smoothies of nice, wonderful plant-based smoothies that have wonderful greens, vegetables, fruit, and all that in it, and protein powders, and we're gulping it down. Well, the same thing happens. The gut still has to process that, it still has to break it down. We need to go through a chewing motion even with smoothies and just activate the digestive enzymes when you're starting to drink that smoothie and you'll get more nourishment. You'll get more nutrients. You won't have as much acid. As we know, alkaline is the way we want our bodies to be. The more alkaline we can get our body the better. Less disease process, less breakdown, less degeneration. If you eat slowly, eat with intention, eat with love attached to that food. Also, there's another trick that I learned when I was in nursing homes because oftentimes, appetite would be a big issue for us where we couldn't get them to eat. Serve food on a red plate. Use red in your utensils on the serving plate because red actually increases appetite. You could tell that through all the advertising. Think of all the fast-food restaurants. What color is very prevalent in their advertising? Red. [02:10:58] Ashley James: Yeah, red, yellow, and orange. I remember in the '90s, any fast food restaurant you went to was all variations of red, yellow, and orange. They've kind of come away from that. Well, people aren't eating in anymore, they're all drive-thru. But a lot of their logos are that color, and like you said their advertising and their packaging is that color. [02:11:22] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Look at the size of our plates. [02:11:27] Ashley James: They're huge. [02:11:29] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yes. Back in the olden days, the plates were about the size of our butter plates now or our salad plates. When you would fill up that plate you would look like, okay, that's a lot of food. Well, now, if you look at most of the plates that are in our homes, they're platters. We feel like we need to fill that platter. So then we fill it up and then we are eating not consciously, so then we eat that whole platter. [02:11:58] Ashley James: And we're not chewing. Like you said, we're not chewing. When we don't chew enough, we'll eat twice as much volume until the satiety mechanism is triggered in the brain. But if you don't chew enough or you eat too fast and not chew—which is what almost everyone does—you're not triggering the liver, the pancreas, and the stomach. All three of them need to be told to start producing their enzymes, the hydrochloric acid, and the bile—just start producing all of it for release into the stomach and into the small intestines. Chewing is turning on the whole system. It's like you don't put your clothing in the washing machine and just leave it. You have to turn it on, program it, and set it, but that's what turns on digestion. But when we have a huge serving, which like you said, we've gone from a 6-inch plate to a 12-inch plate, we're doubling the amount of food we're consuming each meal and eating it so fast the satiety mechanism isn't triggered. That and the food most Americans eat is so low in fiber that it doesn't bulk up, plus we're not drinking enough water so we're chronically dehydrated. All these things lead to digestive disasters and creating that perfect environment for all the worms and parasites to live. [02:13:31] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Also, when you think about how long does it take for certain things to digest? For example, fruit takes about two to three hours to digest, vegetables three to five hours, meat could take up to three days to digest. And then you add the heat of the digestive process, which is all the acid that's breaking it down like you said the hydrochloric. If you think about the food choices that you make as well, the longer it sits in the gut the more bacteria it will grow, which is why we get a lot of constipation, why we get a lot of digestive issues. Think about how long it takes for things to go bad if you were to leave it out on your counter. For example, if you were to leave an apple on your counter for two to three hours, do you think it'll be fine for you to eat? [02:14:23] Ashley James: Sure. [02:14:26] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yes. As it's going through the digestive process, it's clean food to eat. The vegetables, if you put a piece of broccoli out on your counter for three to five hours, will it be safe to eat? Yes, if it hasn't started to break down yet. Raw. [02:14:44] Ashley James: Yeah, raw. Totally raw. [02:14:45] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Raw, it's going to be a little limp possibly. It'll be fine, but it'll go through the digestive process. Now, put that nice piece of red steak out, and I'm not telling people they have to be vegetarian or vegan. But if you put that red steak out on a counter for three to five days raw, will it still be good? [02:15:02] Ashley James: No. [02:15:03] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Okay. So then, as it's going through the digestive process, why are we assuming that it's going to be okay and that we're not going to get any bacteria or, let's say, parasites and stuff like that coming from that meat? When we make our food choices, we need to keep that in mind as far as how quickly does it dissipate? How quickly does it digest? How quickly does it go through the digestive system? If it doesn't go through quickly, then we know we're going to have some digestive issues. So let's do some things that are going to help the digestive process—mastication. Eat it, chew as much as you can. I remember the first time I heard about this whole thing about chewing your food 30 times per bite. My husband and I were at a seminar, and what was so funny is that night we decided let's do this. Basically, we made this dinner. He took the first bite and he holds it up and he goes, "This bite is going to improve my eyesight." And then he chews it and he chews it 30 times. So then I take a bite and I say, "This bite is going to give me the best bowel movement ever." As we were going, we kept saying with intention what each bite would do, and we had the most fun at that dinner. We basically took almost two hours to eat. We ate half the food, and we were very happy with the amount of food that we got. [02:16:23] Ashley James: Satiated. [02:16:24] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Satiated, yeah. We just had so much fun with that meal. If people just did that, they would actually see a huge change in their whole digestive process plus lose a lot of weight as well. [02:16:36] Ashley James: Yes, I love it. And then eat food with lots of fiber like fruits and vegetables. That's something I learned when I was about six years old. My mom and I were both very sick from the standard Canadian diet, standard American diet, and my mom took us to see Dr. D'Adamo. He gave us this poster on food combining and it hung in our kitchen until we moved when I was 19 years old. I have it memorized in my brain because I saw it for so many years. This concept really stuck with me early on. I've been fascinated with natural medicine since I was six. Just wanting to—like yourself—absorb everything I could possibly get my hands on. Just having an insatiable curiosity. As a child, just that child-like desire to consume knowledge. This idea that an apple—and you said digestion takes two to three days. What you meant was the entire from beginning to end, but in the stomach itself, an apple takes about 20 minutes just give or take. A steak could take about one to three hours just give or take how much you ate, how much you chewed. Dr. D'Adamo's point was if you ate a steak dinner with an apple pie, the apple only needed to be in your stomach for 20 minutes before it should have been passed on to the next phase of digestion and absorption through the small intestine. But because you also ate steak in the same meal, so it's food combining, your body is now fermenting the apple for two hours. Beyond digestion, it's fermenting at this point, which is unhealthy for the body to have any large amount of fermentation of food while it's trying to digest the apple. Different enzymes are used for apples, and different juices are used for digesting steak, and so they're combining. And then finally gets passed on to the small intestine, but at this point, it's just fermenting the entire way down, which can actually and what I've learned more recently, feeds the microbiome of our gut—the very complex microbiome—feeds it sort of unhealthy nutrients, which then the microbiome turns around and makes things like ammonia, and makes other chemicals in the body, which then go into our bloodstream and affect our brain. Food combining is a huge thing. [02:19:14] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: And we become inflamed. [02:19:16] Ashley James: Right, the whole body. It's even more so what we eat, when we eat, how we chew all of that, and then what our microbiome will then turn it into. We have to really consider when you eat meat, how long does it stay in your body? That's rotting flesh that is creating that petri dish for the bacteria. And if you don't chew, then it really is doing a number, and your microbiome actually then turns it into other things that are unhealthy for the body as well. If someone says, well, meat's not necessarily unhealthy. The microbiome will turn into chemicals that are unhealthy for the body, especially if you didn't chew, especially if you don't have strong digestion. It's all those things we have to take into consideration. I think you may have answered this question already, but just to be very clear. When you work with people, does the remote Biofeedback look at this specifically? Look at digestion at this level? [02:20:28] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Not as far as where it is in the digestive process. Part of that is the information that we exchange together. First of all, one of the first questions I ask—well, several questions down the road—is how many bowel movements do you have on a given day? If they say, oh, maybe one every other day. Then I'll say, that's not enough. Especially how many meals do you have? If you have three meals a day you should be having three bowel movements a day. And if they're not, then that's basically saying that their digestive process is too slow, and so, therefore, it's growing bacteria, it's growing all these different things in the microbiome that is not healthy for it. That could be leading to why they're so fatigued because that food, basically if you're not getting the nutrients, you're not getting the food you need to fuel your muscles, fuel the blood, fuel all that, plus whatever disease process we're starting because of that rotting flesh or whatever. But then, I also ask, what is the quality of the food you eat? Here where I live, most of the people here grow their own, they have their own cows basically. They're grass-fed. They love them all the way to the slaughterhouse all that. But when you're buying the meats from stores that may be having these farms of cows, chickens, or whatever where they are not living in a very good environment, and then the stress hormone is released as soon as they go into the slaughterhouse. Then if you see a change in your mood like you're mentioning sometimes you'll eat certain foods and all of a sudden you're irritated, irritable, angry, or whatever, oftentimes people who are very energy sensitive meaning that they may be an empath or they may be taking on other people's energies or other souls. They may be actually feeling or consuming that soul of the cow, the chicken, or whatever was killed. If it wasn't killed in a kind way or in just the general slaughterhouses, then the stress hormone gets released into the meat. And then when they consume the meat, they are then consuming the stress of that animal. I always say, just be careful and cautious and really think about what it is that you're eating and what did that part that that animal go through during their life process, and was it healthy? If it was one that was created on those manufactured places where they have no quality of life, they're just in a stall, then that meat is going to be very stress-related, there's not going to be a lot of nutrition in it, and therefore there's probably more hormones and things like that's been added to it, so you're not getting good quality. Just be really careful about your food selection, where you get it. If you do eat from farms and stuff like that where they love their animal all the way to the slaughterhouse, then you can pretty much rest assured that there should be less stress-related hormones in the in as well. But that's a consideration to think of too. [02:23:47] Ashley James: I've heard that from other people who are empaths as well that they've had that personal experience. My husband and I had that experience when we lived in Las Vegas long before we became plant-based. We were 100% meat-eaters, carnivore diet all the way. Meat at every meal. Sometimes just meals with only meat. We went to a place called Roberto's, which had the best or Mexican food. We got home and we ate the same thing we always eat there. It was a carne asada burrito or something. We had had it 50 times before, but this particular time for, whatever reason, both of us had pounding hearts. We felt like we had done—I haven't done street drugs but it was kind of like cocaine or something. Our hearts were pounding out of our chest, we're both sitting there in our chairs just sweating, breathing heavily, feeling incredibly scared. We don't know what's going on. If only one of us had had that experience we would have been like take me to the hospital, I'm having a heart attack. But both of us felt terrified and our hearts were pounding. We're like, this is from the meat. Something happened to this cow. This happened, Duffy and I, 12 years ago, and that really stuck with me, that memory, and it lasted for hours. We're just sitting there with our hearts pounding and just in total fear, both of us like we had taken some crazy drugs. That was just really clear to us that there was something about that cow that we felt, that was imprinted on us. We just have to think of energy is so powerful that you, Vienna, can do energy work across the world and help someone gain health back, then energy from our food could heal us or harm us. Bring us closer to being in balance or further away from being in balance. We have to take that into consideration. I love that practice you developed with your husband where you chewed each bite 30 times and talked about the intention of what each bite would heal. Now, I've met you in person. You look like you're in your 40s, but how old are you, may I ask? [02:26:17] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: I'm actually 58. I'm 58. [02:26:19] Ashley James: Did you notice that as you did all this work with integrative medicine that you got younger, that you looked younger, that you felt younger? Did you notice that? [02:26:28] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Absolutely. And also, what adds to that is I do a daily practice. Every morning and every night I do my meditation and my yoga first thing every morning, I don't miss it. And then I also do the same practice in the evening as well, and I don't miss that either. That's me loving myself. Since I've started that, oh my gosh, the change has been so phenomenally different. First of all, sometimes I could have a lot of people after me, for whatever reason. I don't feel it, I don't give it attention. It doesn't affect me. Minor stresses like things that are happening in your life that could typically be a major stressor, it doesn't stress me out anymore. I'm just in this wonderful little vortex of love, gratitude, and blessings. One of the things that I do that is really good homework for everybody is to start your morning with at least five minutes of gratitude. Be grateful for whatever it is that you have in your life or what it is that you want in your life and assume that it's already happened. Let's say I'm wanting this vacation, for example, and wanting the airways to allow us to fly again and all of that. I'll just say thank you so much for my trip to Hawaii or whatever. I'm enjoying it so much or whatever, but I'll spend some time in gratitude in the morning as I'm starting my day and saying what I'm grateful for that's going to happen that day. And then in the evening, I spent another five minutes in gratitude for what I was grateful for, what happened that day or what's going to happen throughout the evening. That I'll sleep well, the pain that I have in my back will go away, or whatever, and just spend that time and just sharing out the gratitude. Right now, in this world that we're in right now, there's so much division, there's so much anger, there's so much resentment. I believe that if we just approach each person with love, with understanding, with gratitude, with blessings, with the highest level of energy and frequency that we can, that we can change this world. But right now there's so much anger, and there's one word in the vocabulary that I don't allow in my vocabulary that I don't even say, but it's the h-a-t-e word. I don't include that because it's used so frequently in vocabulary these days. You can hear somebody talk and say how much they don't like this one thing, and you'll hear them use that word 25 times within the conversation. That is such a strong word, and it's not only the words that we say outside, it's the words that we say internally. What is our own internal monologue saying? We're always comparing ourselves to other people, that we're in lack, we're not good enough, or whatever. If you just start your day out with the blessings, the gratitude, the I am powerful, the I am phrases, and things like that, then we can change our own internal bio terrain without medications, without lots of intervention. It's just what we say to ourselves because our own self-talk can be very toxic in itself, and it will make us toxic. That's what's made me younger is that daily process. I'm also plant-based, so I don't do meat. If I'm at somebody's house and they're serving meat, I will just bless it rather than make them feel uncomfortable about serving me that. There's only one that I typically won't, and that would be pork. I pretty much will stay away from that just because most people don't realize that pigs do not have sweat glands. Whatever they eat is in their meat, so I avoid it. [02:30:35] Ashley James: And the horrible, horrible conditions that the poor pigs are raised in. I've said on the show before, I loved eating meat. I was really into it and then I just kept learning over and over and over and over more and more about the benefits of not eating it, and the benefits of eating plants. My husband, actually, was the biggest carnivore in the world. He just woke up and said, "I'm never eating meat again." And I'm like okay, I guess I'm cooking that way since I'm the one that cooks for everyone in the family. I was very afraid of not eating meat. I really thought that I would become weak, frail, that I would be sick because I tried being vegan before, I tried being vegetarian before. Doing it all wrong—eating a lot of processed food in the mix and just really feeling sick. I tried to go vegetarian when I was a teenager, and I ate just like vegetarian pizza and subs. Obviously not healthy choices, but in my mind, it's like oh I'm not eating meat. I should feel great. Oh, I feel worse. Apparently, meat makes me feel good. In my mind, I had this belief, and I met a lot of people with this belief that meat gives you energy, meat makes you feel healthy. Whole food plant-based is not vegan, it's not vegetarian in that Oreos are vegan. A whole food plant is I'm choosing to not eat processed food, but also it's not black and white. I really like that you acknowledge that you're not 100% never ever ever ever eating any animal product. Because I think that in our minds, it's like a black or white issue like. I either—for the rest of my life—can't eat any of that. Oh my gosh, too much restriction, I can't do it. You're just doing your best every day. You're just making really good choices every day. If once in a while you have an animal product like you said, you bless it, you're grateful for it, you're grateful for the life it gave you, and you move on. But you focus on eating as many plants as you can, and nurturing your body as best you can. Because that guilt and shame that comes with feeling like I can't do it, oh my gosh I failed, or whatever, all of that are toxic. [02:32:54] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: That's the self-talk we were talking about. [02:32:56] Ashley James: Right, yeah. There's this idea about being vegan is like it's all or nothing. I've met even vegans they're like no, no, no. There's vegan shaming out there, so it's like you start getting shamed by a vegan, and there's a lot of negative emotions around it. And then people get really turned off by it. It's not on or off. It's do as best you can—good, better, best. If everyone just did as best they could. Just how long can you go just eating an amazing variety of plants? Great, you made it two meals without meat, great, you know what I mean? That's sometimes what it starts with. Sometimes it's just meatless Mondays, two meals a day, or a whole week of meatless meals. Maybe only at Thanksgiving or whatever. It's your ability to just choose healthy foods for you. I think as a society, we're over-consuming meat products and totally under consuming plants. I think we need to switch it up. We need to over-consume plant products in the most balanced and healthy way. [02:34:06] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: It's also looking at how we prepare it too. Another thing that we do in our home is when we are preparing our dinner or our meals, we have wonderful music playing in the background. We are putting love into our food. We're purposefully putting that love of intention into the food. That this food that we are preparing with our own hands is going to provide so many nutrients and so much love to this person who is consuming it, and we surround ourselves with it. We have these nice essential oils going on, we have the music, and therefore we're influencing it with our own energy as well. And then oh my gosh, the taste is amazing after that because like wow. Versus if you're making a meal in anger. Let's say you're angry at your husband or you're angry at your wife and you're making this meal, then they're ingesting your anger in that meal as well. It's similar to that animal going to slaughter. If you're making a meal in anger, frustration, resentment, or even just sheer fatigue, then how does that influence your food? It influences a great deal, even if it is a plant-based food because plants have energy as well. They actually communicate. There was actually a lie detector expert who was testing his plants one day on his lie detector equipment. He found that they respond to his thoughts or his words, and he tested them. He was testing them by adding cold water to see how they would respond. The needle would move but they would recover. Then he would add hot water, and the needle would move even further but it would recover. Then he clipped the plant. Yeah, okay. It didn't like it. The needle would move but the plant still recovered. Then he had this thought, I wonder what would happen if I burned the plant. The needle moved and the plant never recovered from that. The needle stayed where it was. [02:36:06] Ashley James: Just the thought of burning the plant. [02:36:08] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Never even burned the plant. Just the thought of burning the plant. Those people out there that say they don't have a green thumb, change your perspective, love that plant, put a lot of love into it when you water it, when you talk to it, and all that kind of stuff and you will be a green thumb. But the same thing goes with the preparation of your food, put love into it. [02:36:26] Ashley James: While you're preparing and loving your food and loving your body, that's actually turning on digestion even then. Maybe an hour before you sit down to eat, you're chopping the food, you're sautéing, your steaming. All of that you're seeing it with your eyes, you're smelling it with your nose. Maybe you're even tasting things as you're seasoning it with the herbs, and you're in a state of not stress. You're in the autonomic nervous system's parasympathetic response of rest and digest, and not in the state of fight or flight right because you're listening to the music, you're in a state of love. So now you're turning on digestion with the nervous system response, getting out of stress mode. So you're prepping, you're spending an hour before you even eat the food. Your body is preparing for and getting ready for and excited to help you digest, and then you sit down, you have gratitude and prayer, and you chew your food slowly and plentifully. The entire time, your body is going to get the most amount of nutrients out of that food because it's in parasympathetic nervous system response to rest and digest. All your hormones are in alignment with taking that food and turning it into nutrients. It really does come back to the holistic approach that our lifestyle choices matter. That your meditation and gratitude, daily yoga, all of that really does matter. That you intentionally cook, prep, grocery shop, plan, and eat with intention of love and healing your body. That matters and that the amount of stress that we go under. Think about people who are stressed out, go through drive-thrus, wolf down their food, hardly spend any time digesting or prepping the body for digestion, don't even chew very much, and are choosing foods that sit in their body and rot. No wonder we have the nutrition nutrient deficiencies we do and the state of disease we do when we're not really taking time to energetically, emotionally, and physically nourish ourselves every day. You're such a wealth of information. I'd love to have you back on the show. You have a segment where you're going to teach us how to read our tongues, but I'd like to save that for our next interview. [02:38:56] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Perfect. [02:38:57] Ashley James: I'm going to make sure the links to everything that Vienna Lafrenz does is in the show notes of today's podcast at learntruehealth.com . Now you also have a book you wrote a chapter in with many other very famous healers and holistic practitioners. The link to the book is going to be in the show notes as well. The book is called Wakeup: Miracles of Healing From Around the World. Can you tell us a little bit about that book and what people would get out of reading it? [02:39:27] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Yeah. It's a compilation of about 40 different authors, and they're all healers of some form or fashion. Basically, we were asked to write a chapter on the miracles that we have experienced whether in our own lives or through the lives of our clients. It's really a complication of all of that. I think it'll give some people a really nice fresh perspective of the potential of the body to heal, as well as the mind and all of the different stories. There are some really amazing healers out there, different modalities that are being used. I truly feel like it'll open up a lot of people's minds and perspectives to just the potential of the body to heal, the number of amazing stories that were shared, and the different types of healers that are out there, and just the sheer love that they have for the healing process. [02:40:19] Ashley James: Awesome, Vienna, your website is natural-therapeutics.com , and of course, that link and the link to the book is going to be in the show notes of today's podcast at learnsharehealth.com . I want to have you back, there's so much more we have to talk about. After you and I spoke, you got a Platinum Energy System, which I've had Kellyann Andrews on the show several times. Many of my listeners, I think at least a hundred of them, have purchased a Platinum Energy System and are using it for themselves and their family, and some of them for their clients. I keep getting some amazing feedback coming back from one of our listeners. I believe she says she's an ophthalmologist. Her family was diagnosed with COVID actually, all positive tests. When they used the PES, their suffering ended, and that it sped up their healing. It was really cool to see that. I've had that experience with the PES before or any time I have a cold or flu, which I don't often. But when I do, I jump in it and I really feel it sets the body back into healing mode quickly. You've had some great experiences with that in your clinic, which would be cool just to hear about because I love hearing stories of healing and success, especially with natural medicine. And then you have all other kinds of therapies. Of course, today, we focused on remote Biofeedback. One of the reasons why I really wanted to focus on that is that obviously, many of my listeners are not near Republic, Washington. How you can help them, and you can, is by working with them remotely. You do that on a holistic level. You're looking at emotional, mental, spiritual, energetic, and physical while working with people around the world. And then it'd be really cool to talk more about the other therapies that you have in-house, especially because so many of my listeners are either in the holistic space, in one way or another, or want to become a practitioner. You're inspiring future generations with what you've shared today. I'd love to have you back. I also really am eager to learn from you about the tongue and how to read it, and what we can do with that information. We'll have you back and you'll share with us all about that. That'd be really cool. Is there anything you'd like to say to wrap up today's interview? [02:42:39] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Well, first of all, I love your interviews. They're very thorough, they're fun, they're exciting. Obviously, we could go on for hours, and it's always nice to be able to talk to a friend like that. I love the fact that they're also widespread as far as different topics. I feel like we need to have more of this type of stuff going on so that it meets more ears that are open and that are kind of at that desperation stage of what do I do now? I think even more so now with the whole COVID-19, one of the things that really opened things up for me was this remote healing piece because of the lack of potential to go to people in person and the way in which it helps to heal. Also, the other pieces of it with the emotional frustration that people are having of not being able to see their loved ones and stuff like that, so it's even more so. But I love what I do. I love giving people their power back and helping them realize that they don't even need me necessarily to heal. I may be working myself out of a job, but the more empowerment that we could give our clients to where they are able to then see their own potential and their basically limitless potential of healing themselves, then that's where I feel like I've done my job is getting them to that level and not needing me anymore. [02:44:11] Ashley James: Yes. You work yourself out of a job by helping people get to the point where they don't need you anymore. But it's fun to do the check-ins. I know I definitely want to have a few more sessions with you. It's so cool because it's layered, you peel the layers away. Thank you so much for coming on the show. It's been such a pleasure having you, and I can't wait to have you back. [02:44:35] Dr. Vienna Lafrenz: Thank you I appreciate it, and I appreciate your listeners as well. [02:44:42] Ashley James: I hope you enjoyed today's interview. You know, there are 53 days left until Christmas if you're listening to this the day I publish it. If you're listening to it later, Christmas is just around the corner. I love giving holistic presents to my friends and family. I'm going to tell you a few that I absolutely love. The Magnesium Soak , you can listen to my interviews. Just type in Magnesium Soak at learntruehealth.com and listen to those interviews. Absolutely amazing. Kristen Bowen, I think she said she was 97 pounds, having 30 seizures a day, in a wheelchair, and unable to talk. Now, she's in perfect health. One of the biggest things that helped her was her magnesium soak that she sells on her website, livingthegoodlifenaturally.com . Be sure to use the coupon code: LTH when you go to her website, livingthegoodlifenaturally.com . Coupon code: LTH. I love the Magnesium Creme , I love the Magnesium Soak . You put it in a foot bath or put it in your bathtub for you and your kids. I also love the Magnesium Muscle Creme , which is amazing for aches, pains, and tension headaches. That absolutely must be on your Christmas gift list, your holiday gift list. The other great gift I love giving my holistic friends is ENERGYbits . Go to energybits.com . Grab a few of the bags of ENERGYbits for your sister, your mom, your best friend. They're fantastic snacks. Kids love them too because they make your tongue turn green or blue, depending on whether you get the chlorella or spirulina. They help to detox the body. They're filled with readily available protein and tons of vitamins. I think I have seven different interviews about chlorella and spirulina, specifically about the ENERGYbits brand. I've interviewed the founder of that company. There are only two companies I know of that do not contain any lead in their chlorella. If you buy some over the counter, go to some health food store and buy chlorella, there's going to be that little warning on it that says, in the state of California, this causes cancer. That's because there's actually lead in those bags of chlorella. But in ENERGYbits , in their chlorella, there's zero because of their process of how they grow their crop and how they then turn the crop into little edible tablets. So listen to my interviews on the Magnesium Soak with Kristen Bowen . Listen to my interviews about algae, the healing benefits of algae, and how it's such an awesome superfood snack to carry around with you. Listen to my ENERGYbits interviews and use coupon code LTH at energybits.com and coupon code LTH at livingthegoodlifenaturally.com . Those are two amazing websites to check out for your Christmas gift ideas. I always use coupon code LTH. I try to get companies who I absolutely love and adore and recommend to always use the same coupon code. Just always try coupon code LTH on all these health websites, and you'll be pleasantly surprised when you get a great discount. Awesome. Enjoy today's interview. Come check us out in our Facebook group if you haven't already. We have such a supportive and wonderful community. You can ask your health questions there and support the other members as well. Just search Learn True Health on Facebook and come join the excellent community of very supportive holistic community there. Get Connected with Dr. Vienna Lafrenz Website Facebook – Dr. Vienna Lafrenz Book by Dr. Vienna Lafrenz WakeUp: Miracles of Healing around the World Recommended Reading by Dr. Vienna Lafrenz Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself by Dr. Joe Dispenza

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Theresa's Sites: Free Manifestation Class: https://coach.theresavigarino.com/sales-page-1205983817068544 Main site: www.TheresaVigarino.com Brand new Masterclass Series: https://theresavigarino.clickfunnels.com/the-empowered-soul-mentorship-program New Charity: www.MomsHouseForChildren.Org Ayahuasca https://www.learntruehealth.com/ayahuasca Highlights: Theresa's journey into the Amazon jungle. The Vomativo. The spiritual and energetic connection to everything. How to keep your energy clean. Theresa's masterclass series. Let's listen in to this episode where Theresa Vigarino takes us to her Amazon jungle journey where she experienced healing, and gained her knowingness. Get to know Ayahuasca and how it promotes soul enlightenment and physical healing. 0:03 Intro: Welcome to the Learn True Health Podcast. I'm your host, Ashley James. This is Episode 379. 0:13 Ashley James: I am so excited for today's guest. We have back on the show Theresa Vigarino. Theresa was in episode 88 almost two years ago. And Theresa and I have stayed connected and stayed friends since then. I loved our interview back in Episode 88. And Theresa has so much to share with us. I am really excited to hear the story. She started trying to tell me over Skype the other day and I was like, "No, no, no, I want the listeners to hear it too." I really want to hear what's happened. And she started just giving little tidbits of the last two years and I got so excited that I have to record this. So let's just save it for the interview. So this is going to be new information for me too. Theresa, your life last two years has been quite amazing. Welcome back. 1:06 Theresa Vigarino: Oh, yeah. It has. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Ashley. I love being here. And I love the people that I've met that reached out to me two years ago through the podcast interview we did back then and you know, I have nothing but love for you and being brave. And I'm just so honored to be here because I know you have such a beautiful tribe of listeners and people that are really ready to awaken to who they really are. 1:36 Ashley James: Exactly. 1:36 Theresa Vigarino: So I'm happy to be part of that process even just a little bit. 1:40 Ashley James: Oh, wonderful. Awaken to who you really are. And isn't that what it's all about? Now you have a free giveaway for the listeners. You're so funny, you're like podcasters expect us to give things away. And I'm just like, isn't your presence enough? We're going to give something cool to the listeners. Okay, so you have a gift for the listeners. It's free, three people. And you created it a while ago, but it's still very relevant. And it's a free audio course on manifesting in your life. And so the link to that is going to be in the show of today's podcast at www.learntruehealth.com and then listeners can go to that and they sign up for your free audio course where you teach techniques for designing your life in a way that manifests the miraculous. 2:33 Theresa Vigarino: Absolutely. And I just love teaching this because so often in life we walk around feeling victim to our circumstances, when in actuality we manifest all the time. And so understanding this and that literally when you look around your life experience you are the creator of what you're seeing around you. And that's the beginning actually. And what I've learned in the past two years is there's so much more and there's always more to learn and grow and experience and expand and I've been going to school, I've gone to spiritual school, if you will, the last couple of years, man. Wow is all I can say. 3:12 Ashley James: The spiritual school of hard knocks, right? 3:15 Theresa Vigarino: A little bit, some intense growth because it was life or death for me quite frankly. And I was brought to my knees. If only I could have bent my knees, I would have been on my knees. But at the time I was turning into a stiff lady with scleroderma. And it was really a divine unfoldment although it was extremely uncomfortable. And I was extremely ill. It took me to my knees so that I could grow. 3:44 Ashley James: Yeah. 3:46 Theresa Vigarino: And I could really learn what healing was all about. 3:49 Ashley James: It's in the hardest times that we can gain the most growth. 3:54 Theresa Vigarino: Yes, and I'm still learning and it's a forever deal for all of us. But what I went through in the past two years since we last spoke was basically the heroine's journey of my life. A solo journey into the depths of my being, into the depths of what I was creating, into the depths of disease, into the depths of emotional healing, into the depths of energy and vibration, and ancient plant medicine and Shamanism. 4:22 Ashley James: In the depths of the jungle. I can't wait to get to that part of the story. 4:25 Theresa Vigarino: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Into the depth, depth, depths of the jungle. 4:28 Ashley James: So take us back. So after our interview you told me that you ended up falling sick, is that with scleroderma? And you ended up in the hospital? Can you tell us about that? 4:40 Theresa Vigarino: Yes. Well, 2017. In 2016, at the end of the year, I was very, very sick. And that's whenever I had an evening. And there were so many things that were happening, including an adrenal crisis that literally could have taken me out. Like at any point, I remember lying bed, we had just gone through the holidays. So it was January 2017. And I had just moved, I was in an area that I didn't know anyone except my husband and he was actually out of town. I had no family around me. And I was very, very, very ill and I was lying in bed ready to call him to come home from a meeting or 911. And at the time my kidneys were shutting down. The scleroderma was so wrapped around the linings of my lungs that I was having bad EKGs. I was feeling like I couldn't breathe. I was struggling to move my body. I was crawling to the bathroom, I'm only not being able to urinate that evening. And I mean, I just wanted to go. I was so sick, I crawled back in bed, and I will never forget this as long as I live. And I said, "God, I'm ready." And all of a sudden, deep in this meditative space, so I was struggling both dimensions I saw the face of Yeshua, the Christ say to me, "Really? Are you sure about that?" And then immediately, like a snapshot picture of my husband's face, a snapshot picture of my daughter's face, then my son's face, and then a room full of people. It was like a giant auditorium and all these people looking at me that I did not recognize. And I said, "No, of course I'm not ready. I'll stay. I know I'm not done yet." And so he began to show me along with some archangels that were in my room that night how to self-heal. So at the time we knew I had a mass in my lung. We knew I was in adrenal crisis, we knew my kidneys were inflamed, we knew that I was really in bad shape. I wasn't getting enough oxygen to my heart through the scleroderma process. And he was showing me how to self heal. And so immediately the next day, I started feeling a little bit better. What happened after that, now It took me, I wasn't fully healed after that, and I ended up spiraling down in a different way later in the year. But what happened was, he told me to start praying for my clients. Now at the time, I was always the spiritual warrior, right? But I wasn't always praying for people outside of my family, friends and people I was very close to. And so I started actually praying for people and they started having miraculous results; a healing of Crohn's disease, a pain in the knee, you know, migraines, financial woes, relationship problems, it didn't matter what the subject matter was. And I would hear him say, pray. And the prayers were always channeled. I could not not remember any of them afterwards. And so I then began to discover this part of me that I had been told that I was resistant into allowing to unfold in my life, because of the ego and fear of what people would think and what if it didn't work, and all of this right? That I projected, that was amazing, miraculous, miraculous experience for me. And it was just so humbling. And after that, later in the year, I again began to plummet in my health. And so I got an invitation to go to the jungle of the Amazon to partake in the plant medicine from a friend. 8:22 Ashley James: Okay, first, can you just take us back to that invitation? So was it kind of like out of the blue? 8:30 Theresa Vigarino: Yeah. So yes, it was, and yet it wasn't. So I have a mentor who was helping me understand maybe in a clear conscious conduit, you know, medium of sorts, spiritual teacher and accessing and amplifying these gifts and understanding it more. And she said to me, "Theresa, you really need to investigate plant medicine." So I began a search in my area in the Bay Area, south of San Francisco, and I was looking into Shamanism and plant medicine, but I didn't know anything about it quite frankly. I had heard of it a little bit, but really had not researched it prior to that, and didn't know, didn't understand it at all. So out of the blue. But you know, the universe works this way. Right? I get this blessing dropped in my lap. In November, the week before Thanksgiving, I get a call from a friend of mine who I knew from a business group, not a spiritual group, he wasn't a client or anything just from a business coach that I was involved with for a while. And I met him at an event and we became friends and out of the blue, hadn't spoken to him in a year. He calls me up and he says, "Theresa, I am running a retreat to the depths of the jungle in Peru to the Amazon. And I have an opening that just came available. We leave in two days and for some reason I just know you're supposed to be there." Now this guy had no idea of my physical struggles. I just wasn't talking about it with everybody all the time, working on rewriting my story. And I was just about fell out of my chair. He said, "Just buy your ticket. Meet me in Iquitos. This is when you need to meet me." And it was in two days. 10:15 Ashley James: In Peru. Iquitos, Peru. 10:17 Theresa Vigarino: In Peru. Yeah. 10:18 Ashley James: So fly from San Francisco to Peru in two days and you've been like on your deathbed twice in the last year. 10:26 Theresa Vigarino: Yes. And actually just days before that, had been back to the hospital for heart pain, chronic heart pain that wasn't going away and I did have a bad EKG and they didn't really know what was causing it and so I was really not feeling well and I actually was on lockdown with my connective tissues, so I wasn't able to move my joints very easily. And so I was really struggling, Ashley, and I was in a lot of pain and I didn't understand what was happening actually. 10:57 Ashley James: So scleroderma which you've had over a long time… 11:02 Theresa Vigarino: Since I was four, yeah. 11:03 Ashley James: Is that an autoimmune condition of the connective tissue? 11:06 Theresa Vigarino: It is and so the way they describe it is autoimmune vascular because it's also in the blood vessels, arthritic, because a soft tissue arthritis, inflammatory because it inflames organs. 11:24 Ashley James: So, everything but bones? 11:26 Theresa Vigarino: Everything but bones and lipid. 11:28 Ashley James: Wow. Okay, so yeah, so you're in rough shape, but you gotta get to Peru two days to go into the jungle. 11:34 Theresa Vigarino: Yes. And I got off the phone with him. And I said to Victor, my husband, I was like, "Babe, you aren't gonna believe this." But now we don't say this to each other. "You're not gonna believe this." Because we believe just about anything after everything we've gone through. We are not surprised by surprises. You know, and he didn't know this person at the time. And I said, "Jimmy invited me to go, he's the guy from this event. And we became friends, invited me to go with him to do plant medicine." And he was like, "Well, you gotta go. You gotta go." 12:06 Ashley James: I love your husband. I've never met him, but I love him. Just the fact he was supportive. How many spouses would be like, "No, you're too sick. What do you mean? You're not going to the jungle, with a complete strange man I've never met." Like, oh my gosh. And he's like, "Go, you have to. It's your journey." I just love him. 12:24 Theresa Vigarino: He is so amazing. And he's also been to the jungle three times, and we'll go into that. 12:28 Ashley James: Not before this point and after this point. So he had never been to the jungle. He didn't know Jimmy. He knows that you're struggling physically. But he said go. So okay, so there you go. So two days later, you've managed to figure out your life and get to Peru, then what happened. 12:46 Theresa Vigarino: So we meet at the airport and we begin our journey into the jungle. So Iquitos is you fly to Lima, we met in Lima. And then we take the two and a half hour flight, there's the only way to Iquitos is by boat or airplane. You're really locked in the jungle there and it's on the river. And so it's really the gateway to Shamanism, because even if you decide to go into Colombia, Brazil, Ecuador, it's up in that corridor where those countries all kind of meet, and it is the gateway to traditional plant medicine. So yeah, I land in Lima, we meet with our group, I think we were a group of like 11 of us and we take the smaller plane over the mountains and into the jungle. And then we take about a two hour bus ride, and an hour boat ride to this oasis of beauty because this woman that owns this lodge for plant medicine, and so she also has people that just want to come and experience the jungle. But mostly it's a healing retreat center. And it is absolutely, well, it's my second home now, one of the most beautiful places you can imagine. And you know, even though it's beautifully appointed, you're still in the jungle, so there's a lot of jungle that goes with it that you have to acclimate to, and that a lot of people are fearful of and you face those fears, because you're there. 14:11 Ashley James: Right. Like spiders. 14:15 Theresa Vigarino: Like spiders. Like everything and, and you know, my husband and I adventurous as we are, we really got into that show Naked and Afraid. And the ones that always tapped out were the ones that were in the Amazon. So I did have a little bit of fear. I'll be honest, you know, it was a little scary for me of the critters. And now I know they're just my friends coming to say hi. 14:40 Ashley James: Oh my gosh. 14:41 Theresa Vigarino: I love more than others like the butterflies and dragonflies and the birds, you know, and the lady bugs but you know, there's some that I'm like, "Okay, hi." From afar, right? 14:51 Ashley James: Yes. 14:52 Theresa Vigarino: Yeah. So it was quite a personal growing experience into the realm of other life forms, because there are more different types of life forms in the Amazon jungle than anywhere on Earth. 15:06 Ashley James: Oh, I bet and it's such a shame that they've been burning parts of it down. And I mean, it just breaks my heart. But this idea of getting out of your comfort zone, just, I mean, step one, right? You took a leap of faith. Step two, you're out of your comfort zone, because you're surrounded by animals and insects. And you know, it's a foreign language, a foreign geography, foreign weather. I mean, every everything is foreign. 15:37 Theresa Vigarino: And foreign medicine. 15:38 Ashley James: Sure. So everything's different. You're really thrown out of your comfort zone, which I think is also can be very cathartic to break out of old patterns. So tell us about your first experience there. How long did you stay? Walk us through it. 15:55 Theresa Vigarino: Yeah, so I was there for 10 days. And in those 10 days we were led through some group workshops with my friend and he was explaining what we were embarking upon, because most of us that were there had never experienced plant medicine and in particular, Ayahuasca. So I knew nothing about Ayahuasca, other than it was some some kind of medicine that the shamans drink with you. And then they sing the songs. That's all I knew. And I did not have time to investigate or research and thank God I didn't because I literally was going in blind. And you know, at this point, ignorance was bliss for me. And so I just did what I was told to do. And we began our journey. I think we got to the lodge in the evening. And so the plant medicine started the next morning with a prerogative. So we got up early in the morning, we rallied in the grass around each other, we had to drink this green, this one glass of this green drink that tasted like lemongrass, actually. And then we had to drink like a gallon of water, just glasses, glasses and glasses of water, which caused a purging. So in traditional plant medicine, you do go through a purging process of the body, which we purge in only so many ways, you know, vomiting, sneezing, blowing your nose, you know, evacuation through urination, defecation, sweating, some people sneeze, cough, laugh, you know, there's lots of ways emotionally that we purge. But you do begin with the physical body. And what I've learned is, the medicine works better when you're cleaner physically. So since we live in a toxic environment, you do go through some of that. So we did do this. It's called Vomativo. We drank the prerogative, we did the Vomitivo. And actually, you feel clean afterwards. Then that evening, we began our journey into the visionary for some, but the deeper work of Ayahuasca, which they call the grandmother of all medicine, like all medicine. And that is a journey, that is the heroine and the hero's journey. And, you know, so I went through that experience six times in those 10 days, and also another plant medicine called San Pedro. And so we can talk if you'd like to about what the ceremony is like, and what you go through. 18:16 Ashley James: Yeah, please. Yeah, I saw a documentary think it's still in Netflix about Ayahuasca and how they're using Or people go into the jungle and do this, who've come back for more time who have post traumatic stress. And they, oh my gosh, so many of them end up healing and resolving an it's like completing. They're complete with the post traumatic stress, and they go back, you know, I mean, sometimes they visit the jungle a few more times, but they can reenter society, and they don't have those wounds, those scars, those triggers from the war time. So there's a lot of benefits that they're seeing. 19:00 Theresa Vigarino: Absolutely. 19:00 Ashley James: And obviously, it's a medicine that has been practiced for a very long time. This isn't like, you know, some trippy street drug. I mean, this is very responsible and the shamans are leading it. 19:11 Theresa Vigarino: And it's very respected in South America. You know, I just read an article last year about how in Brazil, they're using this plant medicine to rehabilitate hardened criminals, the worst of the worst. So there is so much about this medicine that science is now researching. There's so many researchers were there, you know, people are drinking the medicine and they're scanning brains while on the medicine and seeing how it activates parts of the brain. It is really helping people with chronic depression and mental illness. For me, I was the only person that was really there for physical illness, that first time. And so what happened to me was really intense. And they said it would be after a few rounds of it, that for someone who was as sick as I was in the physical realm, that I was going to go through a lot. And so they have in the ceremony, the ceremonies are always in the evening, at night in the dark and you're in a special ceremony room that's blessed and the shamans are there. And they make this brew and the tea they call it, is a mix of traditionally, and it's important I want to reiterate, you want to know who your shamans are. And you want to know how they're making the medicine. There are shamans in America that are distributing this medicine and there are a lot of reputable people. I personally have had several shamans now because I've been down there several times and I have found my shamans and I will only work with them. Because this medicine also works on the energy of the individual, their personal energy matters as well. Their lives matter as well because they're part of your healing process. And so the first two times that I went down there, so I've been four times. The first two times I went was different shamans, this last two times and most recently, I spent the month of June, this year, so just two months ago with a mother and a son. They work together and mother son shaman and I won't go to anybody else. They are who I will work with. They are who helped transform me, the others – the medicine worked great, but they just didn't have the healing gifts that these other shamans have. So that's why I found my shamans, right? So anyways, so back to the original time that I went there. So we get ready, we stop eating at 2pm. And we go into ceremony in about 7pm. And in the jungle, it literally gets dark by seven. I don't care what time of the year, I've been there all times of year now it's dark by seven. So we're dressed in white typically. And we head off into what's called a Maloca. And it is a sacred ceremony space. It's a round room and you see them all over the jungle with a pitch thatch roof. And you know it's nicely appointed. There's restrooms outside, bathroom number one they call is mama bears bathroom. That's me. Because I'm the one that spent some time in the restroom. It's laughable. They're like, "Oh, she's in there again. Put her baby wipes in there." So yes, I spent a lot of time purging that way and it was unbelievable what came out of my body. Old infections and I won't go into more detail about that. 22:35 Ashley James: Oh, my gosh. I'm so curious. Did you see parasites? 22:40 Theresa Vigarino: Oh my gosh, okay. 22:43 Ashley James: Okay listeners who've been listeners for a while are laughing probably because I'm so obsessed. I want to know, I want to know the details. Give me the details. Parasites, did you see the parasites? 22:57 Theresa Vigarino: This is how I saw the parasites. So the first two nights, what would happen is my belly would just blow up like a balloon. So I'll go back into the detail of how the ceremony plays out. So we're sitting on these mats, everybody has a bowl and some toilet paper or napkins, you know, because some people do purge through vomiting. And I have, but not as much as the other way. What we've discovered is I'm extremely sensitive to the medicine. So I need the least amount. The original shamans were giving me full doses. And it was too much, quite frankly, for me. And I was oh boy, the first two nights. I didn't have, I saw some visions. So I'm very visionary person. And some people experience the visionary journey and some don't. Now, Westerners like to call this a psychedelic hallucinatory experience, however, and they call it a drug. It's a misconception. This is a very powerful strong medicine. And the reason why they call it the grandmother of all medicines is because it works on every part of your being; your mind body, your emotional body, your energetic body, your physical body, your spirit body. It's like having the best doctor, Psychotherapist, spiritual teacher, all in the same room in one night. It's like 20 years of therapy, a 20 years of toxins coming out of your body, 20 years of stuck emotion coming out of your body in one night. 24:29 Ashley James: Oh my gosh. That's so cool. 24:31 Theresa Vigarino: That's so powerful. 24:31 Ashley James: Yeah, when I watched the documentary, I believe someone said one of the people is going through it, said it was really, it was like you face the mirror. It's like your soul faces the mirror of yourself and I can really see why criminals would find healing through it because they actually have to then face the actions and then feel what they did to others and face that. And so people were in denial. I mean, you can't be in denial, you face all your stuff. Is that accurate? 25:10 Theresa Vigarino: It's so accurate. And I want to say, and it is in the kindest way possible. Because I saw the mistakes that I had made over my life. And the part I played even if the other party, whatever circumstance it was, just, you know, in my views and terrible things to me, or what have you, right? I also played a part in some of that. I also realized my portion of it and I grieve that part of myself. It's also a great shame release, because the most negative vibration, it's totally a vibratory medicine. The darkest emotional vibration, and we know that we're all energetic beings, and that we resonate to a vibration. The one that stays the deepest stuck inside of ourselves is shame. 26:02 Ashley James: Yeah. 26:04 Theresa Vigarino: And so this helps bring the shame up, and you see it and you release it. So you not just have forgiveness for others, but for yourself, for the things that you've done. Because none of us are perfect, you know, those without and I don't like to word, the word sin means miss the mark, you know, cast the first stone. In other words, we shouldn't be judging each other because we're not perfect. We're all a work in progress. Yet, we are perfect because we have the spirit of the great creator living within us. And we're here to emerge as that. But in the process, we have the human aspect of our life experience. And, you know, we've all done things that we're not proud of, or said things or engaged in things that we wish we wouldn't have in hindsight, right? So this helps you access those places of stuck guilt, shame, remorse, resentment, anger, guilt, all of those negative emotions, and it bubbles up to the surface and you're able to get it out of your body. 27:01 Ashley James: So take us back to the first night. Take us back to the ceremony and tell us what happened. 27:06 Theresa Vigarino: First of all, it I thought it was freaky as all get out because I'm like, "What are we doing in the dark?" Because I really didn't know what was going on. 27:12 Ashley James: They guy didn't explain to you everything? 27:15 Theresa Vigarino: A little bit. But it's still like, it's still an experience to have to actually go do it, right? We walk in we're like, I'm next to my roomie, this beautiful and she's like one of the dearest souls in my life now. We became best friends, because neither one of us had experienced the jungle before and she was even more scared than me of jungle critters. And so we picked mats next to each other and talking to each other. "Hey, are you okay?" You know, it's nice to have a little buddy your first night. So yes, we didn't understand it. But there's still something different about doing it. Right? We did have an explanation of what we'd experienced. But so and what happens is the shamans, there's a light at the beginning and they're pouring the brew and a cup and come up, set your intention. You sit before the shamans, you drink the brew, you go back to your mat, and we're in silence at that point. They go around the room, everybody drinks it, and then they drink it and there was two shamans there, and two females and they drink the medicine and then the lights go out and they smoke a sacred tobacco called Mapacho, which Mapacho is for clearing energy. And if you notice most ancient tribes from Africa to Australia to North America, the indigenous tribal ceremonies always have smoke involved either through a fire, or they're smoking some sacred tobacco. And because it's a master plant, and it is a medicine, and it clears spiritual energy. Okay, because part of the ceremony is you're opening up energetically. So it's about your safety. So that's why you want to know that you're with a powerful shaman. And that we could go into the details of that later. So they begin smoking. And then you start after a while feeling the effects of the medicine and it can be different for everyone. The medicine is brewed between a vine and a leaf. The vine is called Ayahuasca and the leaf is called Chacruna. Now, there are lesser evolved, lesser enlightened people that serve medicine. And a lot of Westerners want the visionary experience and so they go for that and these shamans they just pick randomly who to work with at the airport sometimes, come to find out. And they will add a third ingredient for the hallucinatory experience and so that they have this trip, if you will. That's not what I'm interested in. I'm interested in healing. And many people come away with it with a different experience than what is truly the medicine and traditional witches those two ingredients only 29:52 Ashley James: Giving Ayahuasca a poor rep. 29:54 Theresa Vigarino: Yes, yes. So you know a reputable shaman, a reputable Lodge and you know, truly, truly if any of your listeners want to know the place that I went with the shamans, I am best friends with the lady that owns the lodge now and they are the most healing, loving, authentic, integris group of people I've ever worked with. They cared for me during my darkest nights of my soul. 30:18 Ashley James: So listeners can reach you www.theresavigarino.com and get that information about the lodge and all that. So on your first night you're lying on your mat. Now you must be hearing the sounds of the jungle outside. 30:33 Theresa Vigarino: Oh, the symphony of the jungle is unlike any other sounds you've ever heard. 30:39 Ashley James: It's very loud. 30:40 Theresa Vigarino: It's very loud, it's very loud and it's very dark. Because of where we are situated there's no electricity, they run off generators in the evenings. And by 10pm, the generators are off. And they have to boat everything into this place, right? So the generators are in the evening. So you can charge your phone, but you have very limited access to the phone, there's no internet, no TV, you're away from work, you're away from everything. So because of the lack of distraction, you really get to face these parts of you that really need to be faced so that you can have freedom and liberation. And so the first couple of nights, I would see the sacred geometry, you know, in black and white and so I would see some things that affected my experience, my visionary experience. But what happened to me was my belly just blew up to where I was like eight or nine months pregnant. And I was in the pooper, I call it and I was in the bathroom just evacuating like I had never in my life. 31:39 Ashley James: How do you get through if it's dark? 31:42 Theresa Vigarino: Oh, they have facilitators there. 31:43 Ashley James: Do you have flashlights? 31:45 Theresa Vigarino: Yeah, and you bring your own flashlight. So you have a list of things to bring for your experience; headlamp, little flashlight, and they have facilitators. So, this one his name was Alex. I call him my jungle son. I'd be like, "Alex." And he would come and get me and escort me outside into the facilities and wait for me until I wash my hands and come back and guide me back to my mat. Because you are under the effects of the medicine. So you do feel woozyness, you definitely feel different, right? But you have full consciousness and full awareness while the medicine is working. So for me the first two days, because I went at the last minute, I did not have any. Most people that go, they have a couple weeks where they are cleaning up their diet. And even though I eat really clean, no oil, no butter, no caffeine, spices, salt, no pork, no red meat. There's a specific diet that you eat to cleanse yourself so that you don't have to go through as much detoxing while you're there. So taken into account that I had just been in no medicines, right? I had been in the hospital, I had had steroids in my system till right before I came. I had IV anti inflammatories, I had a lot of things in my system that I was not cleared out of, so the medicine worked as a detox on me immediately. And boy did I feel it. By the third ceremony, my visionary experience just kicked my butt. I did not know what was happening to me. And it was extremely scary for me because I had never had that kind of experience. I am not a user of psychedelics. And I had never experienced something like this before. The colors and the patterns and the things, I mean, I just didn't even know what was going on. So I got really afraid because we know what the brain, Ashley, if you're having a new experience and you don't have a frame of reference for it, it really triggers fear. And what I learned from that scary night, scariest night of my life, and I had to be in the bathroom of course and it hit me within five minutes. Usually it takes 30 minutes, sometimes an hour, sometimes people don't. The medicines working but they don't have that experience at all. Because I'm so open and because I'm such a visionary and I'm so spiritual and energetically connected, it was like bam! Five minutes in, okay, and I'm like, "Oh my God, what's going on? I end up literally on the jungle ground, fear of critters, didn't care, had my friend. My friend with me, the owner of the lodge, five facilitators, another shaman came out and I thought literally, I thought I was going to die. Now I did have a death that night. The fear of death and I didn't realize as spiritual being as I was and knowing where I'm going afterwards, there is still the egoic attachment of the greatest fear that we walk around with that even in your mind you think you don't have, it's still stuck in the body. We learned at five years old, you know what I'm saying? 34:57 Ashley James: Yeah. 34:58 Theresa Vigarino: Even though intellectually we go, "Oh we're energy, we're just going to transform. We're faithful beings. Many of us know we're going to enter into full consciousness." If you're a Christian then you know you're going to meet the face of Jesus and etc etc etc. This night I was begging them to lie flight me out of there and then they started saying to me, I just said this is really funny now that I look back on it. But at the moment I didn't know what was happening and the reason why I ended up in the grass was because you know there's a little distance between the Maloca the ceremony room, and restrooms and on my way back into the Maloca I'm like, "Lay me down right here." And I ended up off the little pathway and into the grass and you know, my friend is like, "Get her mat." You know, I said I can't go back in there because I need to be close to the bathroom because it was really pretty profuse a time, and my jungle son, they said, get her some sugar water so there is a way that when it's intense for you to bring down the effects and he ran back to the main lodge and brought me sugar water. I'm drinking sugar water then he ran back again to bring me limes with salt and so basically the electrolytes brings you back and then they went and got me bananas. I said I just need a banana. I just need a banana and this poor kid because it's a long way back to the lodge and it became a big joke. Meanwhile, everybody in the Maloca is yelling out at me, "Mama Bear we love you." I was the mom of all that trip and those people, as the oldest one there I think but those people ended up becoming like all my children and great dear loves of my life and I was getting the support of everyone and it did ease. And after that experience, I heard, I was able to communicate with the spirits so profoundly that the spirit said to me when I was in the toilet the next night I was like, what is going on? And the spirit said this is cancer leaving your body because medical intuitive said I had a lot of cancer in my body. This is cancer leaving your body, this is virus leaving your body, this is bacteria and toxins leaving your body, and these are the curses that were spoken over you leaving your body from past relationships and experiences. And so that said, sit with this because I was like opening up the door because it was the vileness that left my body that I couldn't handle. It was making me feel sicker and the spirit said, no you close the door because I was like sticking my head out the door. This is really graphic. 37:38 Ashley James: It was like a porta potty or something? You just like open the door and stick your head out. 37:45 Theresa Vigarino: Oh no, but they're smaller. You know, I was able to, but no they're full working flushing toilets, running water back and everything. Yeah, beautifully appointed and you know still people are saying we love you and they can hear me and I can hear them and at this point and you know you do hear people purging, you do hear people crying some people are crying because they're there for an emotional release. Which I got later in my month long journey that I just went on but those but my initial visit to the jungle, because you know my health was so dire and that first trip wasn't enough. I ended up having to come back, but because my health was in such bad shape. So you know, I will say this even after just three ceremonies, my joints were able to loosen up and I literally was like stiff man walking around, not able to bend my knees or ankles or move my hips in either direction. And I was able to move in all directions without pain and suffering and that never came back. 38:49 Ashley James: Well. Okay, like you just told me you teach yoga at IBM every week. In San Francisco and then you had to miss yesterday because you we're flying across the country. And so, here I am sitting here thinking like she's a yoga teacher now. Like, she has to go back, when I first met you, you had scleroderma. You were stiff man couldn't bend your knees. 39:14 Theresa Vigarino: Yes. 39:15 Ashley James: And now you're teaching yoga to IBM employees. 39:20 Theresa Vigarino: It was my knees. My knees were so bad. And you know when I say I was brought to my knees? I was brought to my knees. Literally. 39:32 Ashley James: So do you still have scleroderma, are you completely in remission? Or is that completely gone from your body? 39:39 Theresa Vigarino: Well, the month that I spent, so this is what happened. So I wasn't working with the best shaman and at the beginning, we didn't know what we didn't know. I ended up coming back that following March with my husband and with my friend and another group of people and was working with the same shaman. And so went through more, more deep healing, more deep healing, and the iron he is that I caught hepatitis A in my travels earlier that year. And so that's why we went back in March and I had caught hepatitis A and I had been in the hospital and almost died in January of 2018. So I also discovered that I had parasitic infections from travels to Asia years before that had infiltrated my liver, my kidneys, my ducts, everywhere in my body and I couldn't get rid of it. And that seemed to progress no matter how many cleanses I did and yes I saw many parasites and some of it was a spiritual thing. And when you learn about that, when you learn that there's a spiritual and energetic connection to everything I had I won't go into detail, but I had of who or where it came from, but I had a dark energetic you know, a curse I don't know what else to call it, that was attached to me – entity, being. I'm not sure if it was an energy or being, it doesn't matter. But the shaman that I ended up working with, they cleared that from my energetic body. And that was the whole the opening of my work field. And because I had been so weakened from disease my whole life, I didn't have that force field. And I didn't know because if you're not aware of it, you can't really pray against it or whatever. Because I'm a strong spiritual person. How did this happen? And it was another strong spiritual person. That it was actually one of the original shamans that had some dark energy and it had because I was in a weakened state attached to me and that is a whole another story, right? 41:44 Ashley James: A whole another story. You know, Eric Throton talks about that, the guy I told you about that I've interviewed before. He talks about that kind of stuff. And my first session with him, he helped me remove some stuff that was like that. That was with me since I was nine. That had me hearing voices. And I thought it was my voice until I realized that those voices were totally out of alignment. Like these voices wanted me to eat McDonald's. I'm like, I haven't eat McDonald's in nine years. What are you talking about? And so that's when I got the cravings I kept having or not, were not physical cravings. They were like a voice in my head saying, "Let's eat this, let's eat that, or whatever." Or it would make these the negative entity or whatever you could call it would make me question. Like when someone says something nice would be like, she didn't really mean that, she doesn't like you or whatever, it's like having a mean girl in my head basically. 42:46 Theresa Vigarino: And really causing you to feel negative. And what that does is that attracts more negativity. So this is what I've learned energetically and vibrationally. This is where we live, we know that there are energies, entities, beings that are amongst us, and some are light, and some are the opposite of light. And so you know, I learned so much on this solitary journey. So I have so much to tell you on this call all day. So what I learned in June, and I've known a lot about this, but what I've learned is that we're all here to clean our vibration, right? Through our beliefs, through our faith or trust, through our opening to spirit, through our intentions. And so when we know that there is negative influence, we can detach ourselves from that, right? And we can say, "But wait a minute, that's not true." That's not true. Because what happens is there's these negative energies and these entities and these beings that are roaming on earth, and their entry point is when you've dropped your faith, your trust of the truth, which is you were created as an intentional being and as a divine express an extension of the Most High, you are one with the source of all things. And when you believe less or of that of yourself, that is an entry point, right? Also our behavior patterns. If there is addiction, it is not your true essence that's addicted. It is a negative influence that is being fed from that addiction. It's the negative one that has the addiction and living off that addiction through you. Does that make sense? 44:25 Ashley James: Yes, absolutely. 44:28 Theresa Vigarino: So some of these are spirits that haven't crossed over. And that's a whole another topic of discussion. I'll have to come back for about this. But I saw it, I learned it. And the thing about Ayahuasca that I want to share with everyone is that while the greatest part of it wasn't getting disease out of my body. The best part of it is the amplification, the expansion of infinite intelligence and knowledge and connection that doesn't leave or just doesn't live in the jungle, it comes with back with you. So that's why so many people repeat going back, they want to go back for deeper knowledge. So there are people that go back once a year, once every two years, you know, you'll hear people that are podcasting about it all the time. Because the knowledge that they gained, the cosmic knowledge that they gained. I actually gained a lot of galactical knowledge and cosmic knowledge and connection to these very, very, very high dimensional beings. The connection to Yeshua, and the angelic realm was so profound. And it's with me now all the time. 45:42 Ashley James: So when you're lying on the mat in between the trips to the bathroom, in the dark hearing the intense noise of the jungle, how do you receive this information? Like you said, you take this information home with you, this connection, this information. How do you receive it? You're lying again, like I want to paint that picture. We're lying on the mat in a thatched hut that's round, pitch dark with the very loud jungle noises. And we're sweating, possibly vomiting, going to the bathroom, but in between that, we're seeing colors, we're receiving information. So how did you receive it? Can you take us back to that, like give us a play by play? 46:30 Theresa Vigarino: Absolutely. So you know typically for most people, it's about 30 minutes to an hour in that they feel the effect of the medicine except for yours truly. I'm like five minutes in and everybody goes, "Oh, there she goes." But that was you know, the medicine at the time I was probably partaking in too much medicine. Now they give me like a tablespoon. They say, "No, no, no, no. No mas para Teresita." "No more for Theresa." I'm like the little baby, you know what I mean, I have no resistance. And for some people, they have to drink two full cups. But it just depends, and I don't know the explanation of that. So what happens is when it goes dark, in other words the lights go out, the shamans have partaken in their medicine. And part of at the beginning of the ceremony, they are coming around with the Mapacho, and they are blessing you with the Mapacho and the space, they are clearing it and clearing it and clearing it and clearing it. So only the divine is there. All right, because we all bring some negative in there. And they're clearing it out for you constantly. They're saying their prayers, and then when they partake in the medicine, out go the lights. So you're sitting there and that you're just waiting, right and you're feeling the medicine. And at first you're feeling some effects in the stomach or what have you. And you know, I've learned not to fear whatever my body is feeling. And I just go into the medicine is working. The medicine is working. And that becomes my mantra, I'm always in prayer. I'm always talking to Yeshua, I'm always talking to God and the angels. And then the shamans start singing the sacred songs of the medicine called the Icaros. The Icaros and that's when they are in the medicine. And the icaros is what activates the medicine deeper in you and into the dimensions of your energetic body and into the spirit realm. So they are actually able to see what's going on with you through the Icaros. And they'll say, "Concentrado." Concentrate on the Icaros and you're listening to the song. Since I've started talking about this, I am getting chills up and down my spine in my body, I don't know if you're feeling this but I am. It is so sacred, the Icaros, and this Ancient Medicine that's been going on, they don't even know when it started or exactly where, but all of the tribes along the Amazon and in South America, and in Central America, literally do the same thing, but they may have a little bit of different tradition with how they serve it or what have you. But they all know about this medicine. And they all sing these songs. And they had no communication with each other. They believe that the divine source of all things taught their ancestors about this medicine, so that you can connect deeper to the spirit realm and into the multiverse, the multi dimensional space where you have infinite knowledge and infinite healing and infinite connection. And so all these tribes they've been doing it forever. And so, this tribe is called the Shipibo Tribe, and the Shipibo Tribe they have their Shipibo language, and they're singing these songs and it is music that you've never heard before, words you've never heard before. And you stay connected to the shamans through the Icaros. So no matter what your journey is, and I will say sometimes you do see some things that are not necessarily pleasant and beautiful. And you allow it to pass through, a lot of times it's your own fear showing up that has been locked away, locked away, locked away in your subconscious mind and in your energetic body that finds its way out through the medicine and through the Shamanism and through the sacred songs of the Icaros. The Icaros are blessings and they then, so there's different rounds of it. So when it begins and it builds an intensity, and then after a while there's a turning point. Sometimes though, I've had experiences where it got more profound as the night went on. And you are together in the ceremony room until the shamans close the ceremony and then for some time afterwards, because the medicine is still working and they're still working, but they're not singing the Icaros anymore. And then there's a lightness that takes over a lot of times, and there could be giggling, celebrating and then eventually you make your way with the facilitators back to your cottage. 48:38 Ashley James: What time is it by then? 51:25 Theresa Vigarino: It really just depends on the size of the how many people are in the ceremony, because the last portion of it is the shamans come to your mat individually. And oh my God, that is just the most profound experience that I could even begin to try to explain and especially when you're working with these, the ones that really helped me heal; the mother and the son, and one is on one side and one is on the other. And they're holding your hand and you feel their beauty and their love. And literally the feeling of love, universal love that comes through them for you, that you then have in turn for them and everything on earth and for God is just life changing that you will never forget for the rest of your life. 52:14 Ashley James: So obviously, they don't speak English, or do they speak English? 52:20 Theresa Vigarino: They speak Spanish. 52:21 Ashley James: Is there a translator there ? 52:23 Theresa Vigarino: Yes, the owner is, she's Peruvian, but she's lived the last 28 years or something in Miami. So she speaks English. And also my friend that took us down there, he's fluent in Spanish and English. And so he's an amazing translator. And they also have facilitators that they bring, so there's always someone that's not under the influence of the medicine that's there and they translate, they help you to the bathroom, they give you the sugar water if you need it or whatever you need, they're there for you. Listen, I have never been taken care of the way that I've been taken care of down there. They are with you on the journey. And they know what you're going through. So they're there for you and you know, they call me Mama Teresita down there as I just have this mother energy right for everybody. And so they love on me and literally when I left there at the end of June, I was in tears because these people, the people that work there that cook your food, that bring you what you need in your room, that help you no matter what, they serve you out of love. And it is one of the most unique experiences I've ever had. And I've traveled the world. And the beauty of these people trying to help you through your healing process is a selflessness that is an extension of love from the universe. And you leave feeling loved. 53:59 Ashley James: That's brilliant. So depending on how large the group is, I'm trying to paint that picture in my mind. When do you get back to your room to actually sleep and do you sleep that night? 54:13 Theresa Vigarino: You know, maybe a little bit, but you're really in the effects of the medicine still. And you may have dreams or more visionary experience or you know, and you're talking to your roomie or whatever, but you do rest. There's a lot of resting that goes on. And what I noticed when you come back from the jungle is the high pace we live here. And the toxic environment that we're in. It is such a profound difference from in the jungle to coming back to the States. So as I recommend everybody get to nature as often as possible because the plants here and the trees here they have a healing vibration to them that we don't have in the concrete jungle. Now you live in nature. So you know, thank God, right. But we do have a lot of stuff that keeps us from deep healing here when you live in a city, like where my husband and I live now. But so it depends, like we had groups of 10 up to 18 and the several times that I've gone there, and we would probably get back to the room at 1:00 am. 55:12 Ashley James: Okay, that's not bad. I was thinking it would be like an all nighter or something. 55:17 Theresa Vigarino: There are some that choose to stay. If you choose to stay or the medicine is still working, these shamans that we work with will not leave you, they will stay with you till the sun comes up. If you want to go back to the bed and they release you to go back to your bed, because I have a funny curvature in my spine, my tailbone sticks out and the mat on the ground is uncomfortable for me after a while. So I like to go back to the bed myself personally. But I have stayed in the Maloca till the sun came up. And then other times I'm like, I want to go back to my bed. It's because more comfortable for me, my body. But many people stay all night there and go back when the sun comes up. So it just depends. When I was there and it was just the shamans and me, our ceremony would be over at 10, started at 8, over at 10. Other times when there's lots of people because remember, they go around to each person individually that takes longer. And so sometimes the ceremony will be over at 1am. And then you still have a period of where they won't let you leave the Maloca. Where you need to stay there for the effects, because you're still under the medicine. Does that make sense? 56:32 Ashley James: Sure. Sure. So your first time, the first 10 day trip, when you came back to the States, what was your biggest takeaway? What was the biggest healing? Did you notice that your scleroderma was getting better? Like what was the definite "This is what I got from my first trip to the jungle?" 56:52 Theresa Vigarino: Oh my gosh. Well, there was some confusion because I had old, old religious dogmatic interference, that first trip at some points, you know what I mean? Like, Oh, my God. Is this the right thing? I had a lot of… 57:11 Ashley James: Are you letting the devil in? 57:12 Theresa Vigarino: Totally, totally. I had some of that. And that was great that I faced that because oh my God, I saw the face of Jesus so many times, and angels and him showing me things. And later in the other trips that I went. But I came back. So that happened during the experience. But I came back going, this is the most amazing thing I've ever done in my life. And I've done a lot of things. And I told my husband, we're going back and you're coming with me. And I told everybody I knew, you guys got to come, you got to come, you got to come, you got to come. I literally have lost friends over this because there's so much fear in them and they got tired of hearing it. I was so on fire for this because I had this connection to like downloads, constant downloads, because when you get home, that's when the journey really begins. 58:08 Ashley James: Yeah, I bet. 58:09 Theresa Vigarino: So you are like in boot camp while you're there. But when you get home, that's where you are really reconnecting to it, connecting to it, connecting to it. And you do over time, like some of the effects because the medicine stays in you and still works with you, right. So you do and especially once you've been there for as long of a time and had as much medicine, like I've had 27 nights. 27 experiences with Ayahuasca and that's a lot in a year and a half. Wow, I think it was like 15 months, 27 ceremonies, that's a lot. And especially this last time when I went for my 28 day excursion, I had 12 nights of Ayahuasca. When you're there for a longer period the dose is less, it's more like micro dosing because it's more about the healing effects of the actual medicine. So this last journey that I went on by myself, because I had been one other time with this mother, daughter, son, I mean mother, son, shaman family, she said to me, "You need to come by yourself, and you need to come for at least a month." And so when this parasitic infection wouldn't go away that I've had for years, I had just didn't have enough medicine. I wasn't there long enough. So I had to go deep. And I had to be there for the month. And I thank God for the parasites. Because it forced me to say to my husband, I gotta go. And he said, "Go." So when I got back at the end of June, I said to my husband, you're next and arranged his ticket, made the arrangements and one month later, my husband left for the jungle for a month and he got back at the end of August. 59:51 Ashley James: And he went without you. 59:53 Theresa Vigarino: Yes. Solo journey is… You know, I love it that we went with group, that I went by myself with a group and that we went twice together with a group. And then we went on our solo journey. And it's changed him as much as it's changed me. And by changing what I mean is, it's almost like all these layers of falsities of teachings of culture. Things that are programmed, literally peel off of you so that you become this lighter, vibratory being that has connection to the truth and what really matters. 1:00:39 Ashley James: Yeah. So tell me about your physical your physical healing, removing these parasites and everything. Because it sounds like your scleroderma gone? Is it in remission? 1:00:54 Theresa Vigarino: Yeah. So halfway through in June. That's why I went. So each time I went, I had profound experiences, visionary experiences, and you asked me, how is it that you learn? I see things, okay. So I see, I saw things that were yet to come, that came to pass, I saw how things about my children, I was brought to my children in the spirit realm. And there was one visionary experience that was the most beautiful thing because you know, my children went through some trauma in their past in their childhood. And I was dressed as a priestess in this one vision where I was dressing and blessing my daughter and my son, both as a priest and a priestess. And I saw my little doggy and I'd be blessing her, I saw things about my husband and I, I saw things about my relationship with my parents, my siblings, friends, I saw people that I was to let go of, then I saw relationships that I was to heal deeper. I was brought to an understanding of how to heal relationships. And that came to pass. I saw what to do in my business. I saw how I was to be a hands on healer and that I would pray over people and they would be healed through my connection to the source and through the divine beings, Yeshua, the angels in these other high dimensional beings, that would work through me, I just became a more open vessel as a result of it. And I was to do it. And I said, "Okay, I trust you." And then simple things like, you know, take up the piano again, that's going to enrich your life, take up the pottery, start sewing again, because I had become so focused on my health, on others, on my husband, on my business, and on everything else, when I had lost taking the time to be the creative person that I always was since I was a little girl. So when I was there in June, and I remember walking around in my bare feet, now I'm in my bare feet in the jungle, you know what I'm saying? I'm not scared. I'm walking around in the jungle in my bare feet. And I was brought back to when I was a really, really small little child at five years old. And I was always the barefoot one in the yard. And I was brought back to that to the joy of being barefoot in the grass. And I remembered and I reconnected to the inner child so much that I'm playing the piano every day again, I'm doing creative things. And I make a point every day to do something creative for the fun of it. For the joy of it. And as entrepreneurs, and you know, I do six different things. Yoga is a creative outlet for me, I'm business development for my husband, I'm writing a book, I've got this new class I'm launching, I've just started a charity, I've got lots of things that I'm doing, I'm helping with my mom. You know, there's many different projects I have ongoing, but I'm taking time every day, even if it's just 30 minutes, to do the thing just for the sake of creativity, because the Creator is creative. And as an expression of the Creator, when we create, we are accessing that vibration of creation. Which is the step beyond manifestation is creation. And that is something for us all. And I encourage and challenge everyone, what is the thing that you love that you don't think you have time for because it's not, you know, making you money, or, you know, the bathroom needs to be cleaned, or so and so wants to talk to you on the phone? Or there's a Netflix show. You know, take some time on the daily, even if it's 15 20 minutes, and you're going to find that your vibration is going to lift and your vitality will lift. Your energy will lift. More creative ideas come, and actually you know what comes? Happiness and joy. Because we can get bogged down with oh my gosh, is that marketing working? Oh my gosh, what are the analytics Duffy? Am I right? 1:05:36 Ashley James: We can definitely get bogged down with the day to day and lose that connection. 1:05:42 Theresa Vigarino: And you would think maybe an empty nester, right? And not running the kids here and not running the kids there that I would have had more energy toward that. But what happened was, you know, my husband and I became really focused on business. And that's not my mindset. That was more his mindset. And I absorbed that. And I molded myself to that. And the more I did that, the sicker I got. 1:06:12 Ashley James: Sure. 1:06:14 Theresa Vigarino: And so and it's so funny, because he came home going… And when I came home, and while he was gone, because we traveled and we traveled in July, and then my dog got sick. And I had like three weeks of just caring for my little doggy and bringing her back from the brink. And he was gone during that time, I started playing the piano again. And it was like the message was so clear, creativity is your way, Theresa. So I started painting and I started you know, I'm going to do needlepoint and just little things I can do in the evenings rather than just sitting doing nothing or watching TV or whatever, you know, because my energy is still coming back and I'm still under the influence of a lot of the plant medicine. And I'll go back to that experience of the plant medicine but, and my husband came home saying, "We gotta get you a pottery class and you need to play the piano." And we started giggling it's like your way, Teresa to health is creativity. 1:07:05 Ashley James: He came from the jungle and that's what he told you? 1:07:08 Theresa Vigarino: Yeah. 1:07:09 Ashley James: And he didn't know that you spent the last month playing the piano and doing all that. So he got the message you got. That's funny. 1:07:16 Theresa Vigarino: Yes. 1:07:18 Ashley James: I love it. 1:07:18 Theresa Vigarino: And totally supportive, not like Theresa where you clean the apartment. You know? No. And it's beautiful. It's beautiful, because he went through the journey himself. And he knows what he needs to do for himself now. 1:07:32 Ashley James: So you receive messages for yourself and your loved ones. And you just get clarity. Do you think it's that we all have the ability to be intuitive and get in touch with it, and that the medicine just pulls the ego aside and pulls all the business aside so that we can actually receive the intuition we always have? 1:07:55 Theresa Vigarino: We are born this way. However, through teachings, culture, wounds, ego, everything that happens it gets clouded. And we run on these programs a lot of times under the radar and you know, a big proponent of changing your belief systems through your neural pathways. But there are some wounds that stay stuck that you don't know that they're there. That you're like, "Oh my gosh, I didn't even know." And so that's what the medicine brings to light are the things that are so deeply embedded that you're not even aware. There was one night when we were with the group and the shamans were like, "No. Muy poquito, Teresita." Where I got like a teaspoon and everybody else's… And I'm like, la la la, I'm just having a good time. You know what I mean? And when people started going through their experience, I started worrying about everybody. And the message that I got from that experience was see what happens if we don't kick your butt and make you down the toilet and face down, you won't concentrate on yourself, you are so used to carrying so much more about everybody else. That one of your lessons is, now is the time to care for you. 1:09:16 Ashley James: Very good. 1:09:17 Theresa Vigarino: And that happens to a lot of moms in the world. And a lot of people pleasers in the world. And one of the messages I got while I was in the jungle and my father appeared, not in ceremony. But my father who's… a cross over appeared. There was another guest there and she's a medium and a clairvoyant. And, you know, she said, "Look, I know we just met, we just met like 30 minutes before." She goes, "Where's your dad?" And I said, "Well, he's crossed over." And she said, "Well, he's here and he's standing right behind you." Describe him to a tee. And said to me, "I really want to tell you that your dad is here, and he has messages for you." And I was like, awesome, what's the saying? And she said, "He wants you to know that he approves. And apparently that was a big deal for you. And that in your life, you've sought approval from others because you wanted his approval. And you didn't feel like you ever got it." He was a critical man in the human form. And how true words were never spoken over my life and seeking that approval became this people pleasing aspect of my personality. And so when people didn't approve of me, it was a really deep, deep, deep pain. Well, people that I loved and cared about. Okay, and so friends, and when people didn't approve of it, and it's really interesting, when I came back from my Ayahuasca journeys, many people have left me including somebody that was my very best friend for many, many, many years. 1:10:50 Ashley James: Wow. 1:10:52 Theresa Vigarino: And that has been super painful for me to digest. But again, it's like right now I'm on this path. And they're gonna be some people that it's going to be polarizing. And I want to say to the listeners, however, whatever path you decide to take towards your own healing and enlightenment, there are going to be people that are going to not like it. And I saw, I think like Denzel Washington said it or maybe Morgan Freeman or somebody that, you know, it's basically I'm summarizing, I don't remember exactly, but you know, it's the light in me is disturbing the darkness of you. And that's okay. And not to make me better than anybody else. I'm just, you know, a little bit down the pike right? Down the path, because I said yes, and because I surrendered. And because I said I am here on earth to be all that God created me to be. And so I surrender to that, even if it meant having to move from Lake Tahoe my favorite place on Earth, even if it meant I had to go through the depths of suffering in order to release and be brought to my knees. So I can say in a deeper way, because I've said this prayer my whole life. But this is a newness, and a true, I am nothing without the breath of God inside me. And I learned that deeper than ever, and the rest of these false fears that we have of rejection and abandonment. And what are people going to think of me? And and the old ego wants to come out even with this class that my husband, you know, my husband's in the tech world and deals with professionals at a very high level that run billion dollar companies. And he's now posting about channeled messages from Jesus through my wife. He said to me this week, he's like, "Oh, my gosh, babe, I've really grown." He's like, and I realized there was still a little piece of me like, "Oh, my God, are people gonna think we're nuts." 1:12:50 Ashley James: Yeah. 1:12:51 Theresa Vigarino: Listen, what could be better? This is what we're here for. This is what we're all here for. And I I'm so dizzy in the spirit right now. Because, you know, there's going to be a healing vibration to this in this podcast. Even my toe is tingling. Because it's true. And by the way, I learned to Yeshua. It really is. And that's what's going to be explained on this masterclass series for people that were raised in the Christian faith or not, and it's not about how you were raised and it's not about religion. And I saw in the multiverse, I saw in other dimensions and so what happened with the healing in June, so I went back, the minute that I got there, they knew I was coming. Everybody's greeting me, they knew in advance I had a two week notice. Well, no, I think I had, no not two weeks, it was about nine days. And I had been on a four month parasite cleanse and literally the level of parasites that were coming out of me and it wasn't stopping. Okay, so I couldn't get rid of it on my own and with many, many, many holistic therapies, and drinks, and Western medicine, anti parasitic, it didn't matter what I was taking, it was not getting better, it was only getting worse. And really, the parasites were trying to take me out. And I had a lot to do with that whole dark energy thing. It had a hold on me. And so when I got there, the shaman said you were very close to dying. And so this was an intervention. And I knew it. I told my husband five days before I left, I said I don't, or maybe it was 10 days before I left I don't remember exactly, it might have been right before I said I got to go for the month. I said I don't think I'm going to live past this. And he said go, so we did I called Nancy the owner and I said I gotta go for the month. She goes good. I'm going to then. And let's go. We met in Iquitos, went to her place in the jungle, walked up the stairs together, I video documented my entire experience. There will be a documentary about it coming out soon and I'm writing a book about it 'Dreaming With The Shaman: The Unlikely Love Affair Between an Amazon and an American Woman. 1:15:06 Ashley James: Oh, beautiful. I love it. 1:15:08 Theresa Vigarino: Because it's the last place I ever wanted to go on earth. And at least I thought now I have this grand love affair with it, I can't wait to go back. And so the minute I stepped foot on the grounds, I knew my healing would happen and I walked up those stairs to the lodge and greeted the people that know me as mama Teresita and started drinking medicine right then. So there's thousands of medicines and when they know what you need, okay, when they assess you, these shamans through ceremony, they will put you through what you're going through, you do this, you know that you have these conversations with Nancy the owner ahead of time, so when you get there, they have medicine waiting for you and how did they get the medicine? They go out in the jungle, they dig up a route they cut down some bark they trim a plant whatever and they come and they make these tinctures or if it's something external, these these sabs or drinks, right and so some are hot, some are room temperature, some are boiled, some are leaves that they grind down in a mortar and pestle and steep it different ways for different medicines. And I was on about seven different medicines during the day. And then I had 12 ceremonies with Ayahuasca which was the most beautiful thing ever. I'm now godmother to the mother shaman there to her granddaughter, and the son sharman to his daughter. And they are my family now. And about halfway through she said the root of your disease is gone. 1:16:49 Ashley James: Did you feel it? 1:16:50 Theresa Vigarino: Yes. Because I wasn't able to eat, I wasn't able to go to the bathroom before I left. I wasn't able to breathe before I left. The minute I was was there I was breathing and I was going to the bathroom. I wasn't able to urinate. My kidneys were that inflamed. And food was hard for me. I was I was down to hardly eating anything. And I was eating massive amounts of food while I was down there, they had a food, specific foods, but I was definitely on the diet that they were giving me specifics and delicious. The food tastes better down there. The soil is so rich in South America. So and she said but the wounds are still there. So this is the most fascinating part. She didn't know what scleroderma was. They don't have anatomy books, and they don't go to medical school. They see your body from an energetic standpoint, okay. And what she said to me was, the wounds are still there. And I said, "Well, what are the wounds look like to you?" And you know, the translation is going and she said, they look like and she said they're from your brain all over your brain to the bottom of your feet. I can testify to the brain because I had had a neurological event after you and I spoke and I was in the ER for that. And I had white matter and some growths in my brain and all of that, that I never really did, you know, go down that path was allopathically for it. And so she said, "They look like scabs that have come off. And there's a scar that's left, big ones." And it's my whole entire body. And that is exactly what scleroderma does. Its scars. 1:18:32 Ashley James: Yeah. 1:18:35 Theresa Vigarino: And so the healing is taking place, right? And so while she was down in the jungle with Victor, one night, because I was still you know, I wasn't feeling that great about a month ago, still I'm in the healing process, right? So I have to be patient with that. And I have to be very fine tuned to my diet. And what I'm taking in and negative energy and what happens is, you become super open energetically and man oh man, oh, man. Do you become acutely aware of negative energy in your life, through the television, through the computer, through who you talk to, people you're around, what you're eating, what you're drinking, you become aware of energy. So your job and what I realized, is our job is to keep our energy clean. How do you do it? Lots of techniques to clean in your energy, right? There's lots of things; grounding, visuals, meditations, prayers, but I would say right away, what I learned is cleaning your physical body is essential. And it's step one, because that's what they do in Shamanism. The cleaner your body is the less purging that you go through really, because honestly in those 12 ceremonies I purged from the medicine during the day that they were giving me and I purged through so much of that, right? That my ceremonies were easy. Easier than I ever imagined. There were a couple nights that were hard. When the night that I faced this dark entity. Because I said to the shaman when we discovered it, and they told me about it, and we know who it came from. And it was powerful because it came through another shaman. And that's why it's important to know your shamans. And I said tonight's the night. I didn't come here for this when I first came down here. I came here to get healing and I want it gone tonight. And the minute that I said it, I started feeling a choking feeling and pressure on me and I started doing my own prayer work and calling in beings to help me. And that night was a hard night. And after that it got easier. So what other questions do you have? You were asking me what it's like? Like, how do you get the information. So it's visual, sometimes. Sometimes it's feeling. And you'll get the thoughts in your head associated with the feeling. And you won't actually see a picture right in your in your mind's eye. And sometimes it's just this clairsentience and claircognizance where it's a knowingness. And that stays with you after you leave, you will just know things. And you will just go. I just know it and I trust it. So you become more confident in your intuitive abilities. 1:21:24 Ashley James: Very cool. So after the shaman saw that your scleroderma, the root of the scleroderma was gone, what did she say about healing the scar tissue? 1:21:37 Theresa Vigarino: Oh, she said, it's just going to take time, the medicine will keep working. And it's just going to take a few months for the damage to be healed. And you know, watch my diet, go back to some regular foods, because you're without salt, you're without sugar, you're without fats, you're without a lot of things that you need for your body. And so when you're done with the dieta, when you come home, you stay on it for a while, and then you start adding some things back slowly. Because it becomes like a shock to the system and you cannot feel well. And I think that happened to me. And we know like for some people, you have to stay on the diet more strict for a longer period of time than others. And because I'm so sensitive personally, and I would recommend that people do that when they come back if you're there for a long period of time. And so she just kept saying to me, it's your mind now, relax, rest your mind. Because energetically you know, our mind races around. And you really when you're in the jungle, you become very attuned to that. And so when you unplug, and you don't have this visual stimuli with our screens that we do, and that causes our brains to really speed up its activity, traffic, stress of money, whatever, it speeds up the brain. And so then when you're there, it's like, everything comes to a stop. But you become finally acutely attuned to how rapid your brain is moving and worrying and wanting going down rabbit holes of excuse my language. And what would happen is, I would get a bad headache from it. And she would have to do during the day, she'd have to do these things over my head. She's like, rest your mind, quit worrying, quit worrying, shut demanding about it, it's pointing that made, stop it. For them, they're in such a peaceful state. See, they don't worry. They're so connected to the present. And you know, as a coach about reducing anxiety and getting over panic, that it comes from the mind, and then it gets triggered in the body. So then we have those physiological responses. And I would say it is the silent chronic disease of America and Western culture. 1:24:09 Ashley James: Absolutely. 1:24:13 Theresa Vigarino: I guarantee nine out of 10 people, even people that are in the business that we're in, still have anxiety at some low level that maybe they're not completely aware of, or that they're picking up from the community around them vibrationally, because when you go down there, and you'll be like, wait a minute, what's that pot and I was like, well, you just shut up, I was so mad at my mind. But it was really the medicine was showing me how overactive it is. And that when I come home, it was going to be essential for me to kick up the yoga to kick up the prayers to kick up the meditations and to catch myself from the old habit of rabbit hole thinking you know, what happens if this, this, this, this, in six months from now and and we're really taught that with this movement of manifesting, which I've taught, right? With self development and personal development and writing your goals down. And I'm going to manifest the hundred thousand dollars a year this year with the online coaching world with that, right? Now, I'm not saying what are your desires, there's a difference between focusing on what you want to manifest and it occurred to me and my husband from these downloads. I'm like, "Oh my gosh, we got this wrong." And I'm not saying it's a good step to learn that you're a powerful manifestor, right? But we're manifesting all the time. And when you're putting out the vibration of I want this, my husband and I, we want this ranch, either in Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Nevada, on the Tahoe side, maybe California, I don't know. We want a ranch with a space where we can bring people in for masterminds and retreats. And we want it to be our home and a retreat place and horses and nature and blah, blah, blah. We were so focused on what we didn't have and working at manifesting that we were putting out unknowingly the vibration, even though we were coming at it from and we had this ranch, well, we know we don't have it really. And we were constantly focused on what we didn't have, that we were still putting out that vibration of what we didn't have, even though we were coming at it from a manifestation standpoint. And so now, and now we realize that with the divine creator, we surrender now, if that isn't the highest will and it's a vision of the highest will for our life, as we're becoming all that we were created to be as a divine unique expression of God, then yes, but we're going to be okay, if it's something else too. 1:27:03 Ashley James: Yeah. 1:27:03 Theresa Vigarino: We're going to, we're going to be like the wind. So we've released our attachment. And that moves us into a state of trust. And that we're going to know, because we're going to be divinely guided. And so when that becomes your focus, when you focus on the big desire, which is to be all that we were created to be through this unconditional love and guidance, and through the help of helpers like Yeshua, like the angels, like other dimensional beings, Therapists Bay that works with me, which is the divine architect that takes things from an energetic standpoint and helps you manifest it into physical matter here on Earth. I discovered him this last time in June that he was working through me or for me, and because of me, and how great is that? And I'm humbled by it. And those many others, and Yogananda as well I didn't realized he was one of my guides and no wonder I'm doing yoga again, you know, and oh my gosh, it was just so beautiful. And connecting with these energies of these beings, these Christ Consciousness beings. And knowing that all is okay, just like it is right now. And that is the key to letting go of the anxiety, the monkey brain, the worry, the stress is really becoming focused right now in your senses and knowing that that truth of who you are will emerge and is emerging, that you were coming here to be all that you were created to be and that as a divine unique expression of the Most High God I say God, people can say whatever they want; source, energy, vibration, creator, just a word, right, for the meaning of a being, of a truth, of an energetic reality. 1:28:52 Ashley James: I love it. 1:28:53 Theresa Vigarino: I love that gets wrapped with that one. 1:28:55 Ashley James: Yeah, I love that you have… 1:28:58 Theresa Vigarino: Theresa the preacher. 1:29:01 Ashley James: But I love that you have had tremendous physical healing along with energetic, spiritual, mental, emotional, with this herbal medicine journey, but that you put your spiritual healing at the forefront. And your physical healing came along with it that it was a package deal. I love that you shared that. And you've got quite the mission that you're working on. So you've got two things right now that you've launched. One, is a charity, I want to hear about that. And another is a mastermind that's coming up. So let's talk about your charity, it does come from one of your journeys to the jungle through Ayahuasca, did you have a vision to do this charity? 1:29:30 Theresa Vigarino: It is. It really is. And you know, but like I said, in order to really cleanse yourself so that you can energetically vibrate with this resonance, you have to clean the body too. Because we're in the body right now. We're not of the body, but we're in the body, right? We're more than that. We're spirit living in a human physical reality at the moment. But the true reality is, is that we're always connected to that energetic place. We have to clean the body too, it is a package deal. It's hard to do good work from a sick bed. And let me tell you, it's hard when you can't move, and you don't have the energy to get out of bed to be able to complete the mission. The vision was put on my heart since I was a little girl. So this is about 45 years in the making. Honestly, this is a soul yearning and calling that I came here to do. This is the deepest part of my calling, I believe, because it's been with me my whole life. When I was little, and I share this when I was five years old. And out in the yard in my bare feet by myself, I had this beautiful experience of being a mother to millions of children. And so my poor parents, you know, hearing things in the attic, and people around us and how many people are replaying with Theresa and I'd say millions, they're like, what the heck, most kids have one imaginary friend. Theresa's got millions of them. God only knows what they were thinking. But I would go out to this special place in the yard and I had dug this hole by the tree. It's beautiful maple tree and I would throw in acorns and blades of grass and leaves. I had a stick and I would stir it up and I was making stew which is so like me, right? It's so like me in the kitchen. And I was feeding everybody. And they would say, "Who are you feeding?" I would say, "Well, my children." And they would say, "How many children do you have?" And I would say millions. And with an underbite and a list. And fast forward when I was over enough to really care about watching TV, because I wasn't at the time I was really little. And I remember seeing maybe 10 years old, eight years old something, a news clips of the famine in Ethiopia and other places in Africa. And I remember crying. And I remember asking my mom why was this happening? And seeing starving children and it just left a mark and, and my mother remembers me saying and she told me this last year that I was maybe 10 or 11. And there was more famine and more shows. And I remember, she remembers me saying to her, I'm gonna do something about this. We have to do something, I would say. And so then I remember the one picture that we all have seen that was on the cover of Time Magazine or Life or something with a little boy that was crouched over, a starving African beautiful little boy and a vulture standing behind him. And I never forgot that picture. I remember crying and I cried a lot over the plight of these starving children. So this was a work in progress. And then in 2004, when I traveled to South Africa, and I was in the bush and some of these places where it wasn't so much of that starvation, although they were hungry children. And I was there, I was there on a business trip with my ex husband. And I took my children and my ex mother-in law, beautiful woman that she is that I adore and another child that was with us. And we went out on this excursion to be able to visit these villages where they have very little resources and HIV has wiped out a generation of people, okay. And so these children are living with children or you know, they're completely orphaned. And so there's the elderly and children, and not a lot in between. And it's so rampant. It's the worst HIV population in the continent of Africa as in South Africa. And I made a vow. And I said, I'm going to come back and I'm going to help. And I'm going to build orphanages for these children, so they're not sleeping outside. And 15 years later, I'm making good on that promise. And we already have the village, it's the villages I went to, I've reconnected to the man that drove me that day, who was working for a conservation group that was no longer in existence. And last year after a trip to the jungle, this is how this works. I went to bed one night and the image in the end, the voice said to me, the spirit said to me, "Find him." The one that drove me around. I was like what? Well, I seen him that one day, but I fell in love with his soul. And he said find this man and he's going to be your boots on the ground, so to speak, for lack of a better term, you need someone that's a local that knows how to get this done. You need to find him. I knew his name was Lotus. I knew where he worked in 2004. He was a representative of this conservation group. Well, that group was no longer in existence. He didn't work at the one lodge I knew, and I went on a hunt. And about a month of emailing and making phone calls. Ashley, I get an email from Lotus, beautiful name for a man huh, Lotus. And he told me where he was working with, organization called the Africa Foundation. And we connected and we are partnering with this well established, they know how to get the job done, they know how to get employee salaries, they know how to get counselors in, they know how to get medical care in. And we are about to break ground this year. Our fundraising is beginning. We're becoming legalized. In the meantime, we are partnered with AfricaFoundation.org . And they are going to help us build our first facility in the bush outside of Kruger National Park in South Africa. And so it's coming to pass and the name of our group is MomsHouseForChildren.org . 1:36:07 Ashley James: Beautiful and so is it Mom's House is the charity? 1:36:11 Theresa Vigarino: Yes. Yes. Mom's House For Children is the charity. 1:36:14 Ashley James: Mom's House For Children. Love it. 1:36:17 Theresa Vigarino: And we have a website up. We're a work in progress. We're grassroots. It's a family deal. My husband and children are involved. And we're building our team, many of them are people I've sat in the jungle with and we've held each other's hands through some of our most intense moments in life and have emerged fearless, the greatest gift of the jungle. And we're ready to eradicate homelessness in the most vulnerable locations because there are 200 million homeless children where there are no resources, where there are no resources. And if we want to change this world, what do we do? We love the children, reunite the world. And that is our mission statement. 1:37:09 Ashley James: I can't even fathom 200 million children homeless. 1:37:15 Theresa Vigarino: Yes. And in vulnerable locations, where criminal behavior happens, right? Because they need to feed them. So you know, starvation leads to many things, doing things these children would never do otherwise, or getting caught up with criminalization, or they're they're just doing whatever they can. Many 12 year olds are raising six siblings. So they're not going to school, none of the kids are really able to go to school or not a lot of them. They're having to find work. So it's really, really severe plight and that isn't even talking about, you know, other locales in the world where more sex trafficking and human trafficking takes place. So we solve a lot of problems by eradicating homelessness for the vulnerable children of the world. 1:38:12 Ashley James: Yeah, because then they don't get into the drug trade and the sex trade and so they become child soldiers and all guerrilla warfare. And yeah, that makes sense. Get it at its root. Well, I love it. Congratulation. 1:38:30 Theresa Vigarino: Thank you so much. So it's been, it's been one of my lifelong dreams, and now is the time because they're waiting. So I welcome all helpers of all varieties, into our movement of let's put the children first. And what's amazing is, is that it takes very little US dollars to create great change in these places. And, by the way, I'm a supporter of UNICEF, I'm a supporter of local charities for the homeless, the Homeless Coalition, No Kid Hungry program, we just signed up for them, Feeding America. So you know, also involved in Rotary and I do a lot of charity work, I feed the homeless over holiday seasons, my husband and I do just personally, we give, give, give, give, give all the time. So we do care about America. We care about Silicon Valley which has a great homeless population. We're very involved in all of those things. I personally have a calling on me for Africa and some of these other world locations where the largest number of,vulnerable children live with with extremely little resources, including drinking water. 1:40:02 Ashley James: Yeah. 1:40:04 Theresa Vigarino: So that's where my heart's going. Yeah. That's where God's leading me to go. 1:40:08 Ashley James: MomsHouseForChildren.org ? 1:40:11 Theresa Vigarino: Yes. 1:40:12 Ashley James: So M-O-M-S, MomsHouseForChildren.org . 1:40:16 Theresa Vigarino: Yeah, I'll send you the link. 1:40:18 Ashley James: The link to that will be in the show notes of today's podcast at LearnTrueHealth.com as well as everything that Theresa does. Now, you are launching a new mentorship program, mastermind program and it is divinely inspired. I know you are so excited about it. Can you tell us more about this program? And what we'll learn from it? 1:40:43 Theresa Vigarino: Yes, absolutely. So this came to me about a week and a half ago. And I said, yes, it's one of those things, you know, like, two days before I go on to the Amazon, I said, Yes. So when the spirit moves you, I surrender. And I said, I said yes to this because I didn't really plan on doing this right now. Because I know the time the energy and the effort that it takes to put together something like this. But yet, when you're really operating from that soul driven place, and the spirits working through you, it becomes less effort, you know, and it becomes easier for us. And there's a lot more grace, and I'm not worried about it. So it's only for 20. It's 20 other souls that want to go on this journey with me through the rest of the year. So that 2020 because we know with creation, with manifestation, we have to clear up the vibration. And we have to do things to set in motion what we desire to experience. And so that's when it came to me, it's like now's the time, we're not just ending a year, we're ending a decade. And 2020, I believe is going to be a year of great expansion for many of us, and a great transformation. And so helping others through the spirit working through me will guide you through teach people how to cleanse their vibration, how to reconnect to your deepest part of your own spiritual gifts, to amplify your own gifts, how to become the healer of your own life, all of these things, including your money story, your relationship story, all of that. How to really align into that place of surrender, so that the spirit can work more profoundly in your life, right and bring you… The thing about South Africa, it blows me away, there's not a day that doesn't go by that I don't have a new connection, or I read something or like, I'm not even thinking about it. Now, somebody will invite me to a party, and there's a bunch of South Africans there. I mean, it happens all the time. And we just smile, and I say thank you. And that's the kind of level of creation I would like for the students to have in their own life. Now, this is not for beginners, person on this spiritual opening process, these are going to be more advanced teaching. So what happens is, you click on the link, and it'll take you to a very short application process of about six questions, and it's yes or no. And then you and I spend 20 minutes on the phone. So this is going to happen over the course of the next 13 days or something. And then we decide if now's the right time for you, and the spirit is going to guide me into it being yes or no. So I believe that most people that are going to go through this process, it is yes, because I believe that we are magnets to our experience, right. And I've already prayed for those 20 that would come and it would be the right time. But it's just good to feel each other out. And then we get you set up to start on the 24th of September. Now, these are going to be Zoom calls. And there are a ton of bonuses, which we lay out that so it's going to be so much offering here, I am just really honored to be in a position to be able to bring in other experts, and also offer some of the other healing things that I've been taught to do over the last three years. And all of that is going to be between the 24th and the end of December so that we all emerge 2020 a better, more awakened version of ourselves. 1:44:19 Ashley James: Beautiful, I'm very excited for you and for your students. I love it. You were telling me a bit about one of the lessons in it is going to be about acknowledging the ego and and helping it have more of you know, having healthy boundaries through ego I guess is the best way to do it. Because when we let our ego kind of run our life, it's like I don't know, for those who have had a toddler, they have no boundaries, and they will not respect yours. Right? And if you don't know how to enforce them, they won't respect any boundaries. So, we ere at my father in law's 78th birthday dinner last night at a nice restaurant, and my son decides that he's going to wash his hands in his glass of water. You know. So no, there's no boundaries. But your ego is much like your toddler, your inner toddler, and that it will cross over and take over everything if we don't kind of enforce our own boundaries with our ego, right? So you're talking a bit about that with me and how one of the things that people are going to learn with you in this mastermind is how to do that. And then another thing you told me about is that when you were on your Ayahuasca journey, you saw energy, you had an experience where you saw the vibration of the jungle and the vibration, you got to see energy and feel it, you had that experience of not only feeling energy, but seeing it and experiencing a whole new level. And so you took lessons away from the jungle, and you're incorporating that into your mastermind. Is there anything that you'd like to teach today to the listeners that you're going to be including in your mastermind, anything, any kind of lessons that you'd like to… homework or lessons or teachings that you'd like to give to listeners? So they can maybe walk away with something to work on today? 1:46:35 Theresa Vigarino: Sure, first I'll address the ego questions. So you know, the ego is here for a reason. And we actually created it as a human collective long time ago. So it's here, and it's here to stay because we're in the physical body. There are a lot of good things that the ego does for us, like trigger fear whenever we're in a dark alley, and there's an element there that we don't want to interact with, right? So there are some components that we absolutely utilize this for our benefit of the ego. Having a sense of pride in your being, that is an ego driven thing to a certain degree, right? When you couple that with being all that you can be that God created you to be, they have those kinds of things work hand in hand. Now where the ego drops our vibration is through judgment, it is through fear of judgment, fear of lack, fear of not being good enough, worry, old limiting beliefs about who you really are, judgment on other people's behaviors, all of that, that is where from a spiritual component, it drops you down. Okay, so learning the voice of the ego, and why don't we just curtail this into the homework or the assignment or, you know, an intention for the listeners, which is to learn to be the observer of when your ego is triggered based upon fear and judgment, because fear and judgment are what keep us from that soul alignment. They keep us out of compassion, they keep us out of forgiveness, which keeps us out of that unconditional love, that we are to be and as an expression of. And so when we're judging, even when it seems like it's something so terrible, you know, and we want to judge that person, "Oh they are just rotten to the core." Or whatever. We are projecting that judgment. And in that moment that we judge another, that means that we judge ourselves, number one, so we automatically have, we know that we have shame, guilt, all of that still stuck in our vibration, right? It also removes you, you also step out of that soul alignment of the vibration of love that God is. And that really we're an extension of, and so ever so briefly, we're away from that. And we actually can feel the effects of that, you will feel, maybe you were happy before that. Maybe you felt expansive before that, maybe you were in joy, and you were in the moment, and you felt at peace. And then the minute judgment came in, even for yourself, oh my gosh, I shouldn't be doing this, I should be doing that. And even if it looks that it might be more productive, but you're judging yourself, and I don't mean like for the better. Like, let's say you're doing something creative, and you're playing or whatever, right. And there's this voice that's like, you better not be enjoying that, you better go work on your finances. So, or, you know, you're trying to pray and meditate, and you get the thing, oh, change the laundry over. When you work from home, those are easy distractions. So it's subtle, it's subtle, sometimes sometimes they're big, but oftentimes, they're subtle. And by being the observer of the difference between when you're operating from the mind of God and when you're operating from the ego mind, and the difference between them. Which is not an easy thing to do, because the ego will try to confuse that. But just if you take a global perspective, as you know, we're both on NLP people, right? That global perspective, you will be able to decipher when you're operating from the ego and when you're operating from all that is, and the truth of who you are. You know, when you want to pick up the phone and make an important phone call, like I'm going to be doing here soon for somebody to be on my board of directors. And there's a part of me that, or sending out emails for some big donations. And there's part of me that's like, "Yeah, but our 501 C3 is pending. It's not done yet." And I have all these reasons. Well, what is that? That's not the truth. The truth is that all things are possible. The truth is I'm an extension of divine love and unconditional love. And so I'm going into it feeling like oh, my little organization or me or whatever is not good enough. Yeah. 1:51:18 Ashley James: Who am I to do this? I'm just this little, tiny person, who am I to be big and brilliant and bold? Theresa Vigarino 1:51:25: Yes. Yes. And I'm faced with it all the time. And like I told you early on about my husband, who's dealing with all of these very high level tech people in the world, right? And he's putting on there about my masterclass series, which is going to have a lot of all focus on energy and spirit. And he's ready to emerge that for himself, too. So we all come to a place where it's like, "Oh, really?" Yeah. And the quiet confines of your own mind and in your own little comfort zone in your cocoon of safety. You're saying, "Yeah, I'm going to do this. And I'm going to do that. And I'm going to put it out there because the spirit is moving through me." Oh, yeah, let's do it. The spirit is saying do it, then. Now's the time. What you waiting for? Nothing to fear. And so when those resistance is happen, then oftentimes, it is the ego going, "Oh, yeah. But what if you're going to lose more friends?" "What if it's going to flop?" What if, this was a big one for me. "What if you're going to get sick during that commitment?" 1:52:40 Ashley James: Yeah. 1:52:43 Theresa Vigarino: You know, what if you're not spending enough time on making more money, right? But the big one more for me was, you know, what if, what if people aren't going to like you as much? What if they're going to laugh at you? That was a big one that I used to get. And still a little bit you know, what if someone so laughs about ? What if you're made fun of? Right? So I think we've all been made fun of when we were little, and I was made fun of a lot. I was a real heavy kid. And you know, that's an old thing, right? So the ego goes what if they're going to make fun of you. I was the girl that never got picked for the kickball team or anything athletic because I was the chunky monkey. And, you know, I ended up being the most outstanding female athlete one year later in the school. Take that kickball captain leaders, no, no I'm just kidding. It's kind of funny now when I look back on it, but you know, and that is a muscle that I can access too by the way. Hey, wait a minute, people laughed at me before. That wasn't the truth of who I was, who I am. And really, we know now from a higher perspective when people are laughing at somebody else, when people are making fun of you or people leave you because of something that your soul is driving you to do and aching and longing for and that is where your personal fulfillment is. The rest of it doesn't even matter. And again, the light in you upsetting the non light we can say around you is a good thing. 1:54:27 Ashley James: Sometimes we create those situations to test our resolve. In the Tarot, it's the archetype the devil, the devil card is the archetype. It's not the actual devil from Christianity. It's an archetype of us testing our own resolve. And so, someone says, I don't know, I'm going to quit smoking cigarettes and five minutes later, as you know, someone walks by and lights a cigarette in front of us. You know, it's testing our resolve, or, you know, if you said I'm going to go do this charity, and then that little voice goes, that gives you a million reasons and excuses not to, and sometimes it looks like, sometimes people go well, how can it be me testing my resolve when it's external things like someone saying or laughing at me, right? It's external. But it's how we react to it. You might have someone laugh at you every day. And you never even noticed, never noticed, your brain just deleted, generalize, said it doesn't matter. It's information that doesn't, it doesn't even matter. But the one day you go to do something new, it's this little part in ourselves that wants to test our resolve. And so then the brain because the brain generalizes so much information. And the reticular activating system of the brain goes all right now you're looking for people laughing at you. 1:56:01 Theresa Vigarino: Absolutely. 1:56:06 Ashley James: So, we test our resolve, when we go to push outside of our boundaries and it's uncomfortable, right, but so we got to take on like if we're deciding to like for a friend of mine, who's a listener, she has taken on the diet, the whole food plant based, no salt, sugar oil diet to heal her body in hurt because it's the most restorative diet for her heart health, the cardiologist, Dr. Esselstyn I've had on the show, he's in his 80s, and he's still an active cardiologist at the Cleveland Clinic and he heals, like four blockages in the heart with this diet alone, like unbelievable results. 1:56:49 Theresa Vigarino: I absolutely believe in it. 1:56:51 Ashley James: Yeah. And so she started the diet. And now it's every naysayers come up to to challenge her, you know, her parents, her husband, friends, coworkers, everyone is kind of like coming out of the woodwork to test her resolve. 1:57:10 Theresa Vigarino: Yes. 1:57:11 Ashley James: And we and it's how we perceive that conflict, will we give up and give in and kind of settled back down into status quo, or will be rise above it? And so I feel that sometimes that that challenge that we face, where we are seeing either external or internal, it's our own little voice, like the ego saying, but this and but this, what about this? And if it's external people, like you're losing friends over it, whatever, whether it's internal or external, when there's a push to that it would be more comfortable to go back to status quo, it actually wouldn't, because living a status quo is living in purgatory, we're not evolving as a person. And so when we go, "Bring it on, bring it on world, bring it on." You want to bring on conflict, okay. Bring on my parents challenging my diet, and my kids and my husband. Bring it on, because I am sticking to my guns, this is how I'm going to heal my body. And there's no external or internal conflict that's going to make me go back to status quo, because I'm going to go over this mountain. And help propel us further because the testing of our resolve actually makes us stronger in our resolve. So it's that we have to have that 30,000 foot view, where we get that the things that we think are bogging us down are actually helping launch us forward. 1:58:47 Theresa Vigarino: It's really changing that perspective, isn't it? It is really about perspective. And I love what you said about that. I'm going to employ that more in my life. So thank you, Ashley. I love that viewpoint because it is the truth. 1:59:03 Ashley James: Right, I do this course as you know, where I teach people how to eliminate anxiety and part of the course is I teach them to get excited when anxiety comes up. Because they've spent years being afraid of it. And when anxiety comes up, it starts in the mind. But then ends up physically in the body when we're physically feeling symptoms. Our hands are shaking. When we were dizzy, we're about to pass out, we feel like yeah, die, you know, the body is perceiving a threat and we're having a huge adrenaline response. So, cortisol is going through the roof. And the body is really having a physical reaction. So they're afraid of it. So the second we start to feel anxiety, they then have a huge fear response, because they're afraid they're going to go into that. So then they're resisting it. And as you know, everything we resist then we're not able to… Yeah it gets stronger. We're not out to actually face it and rise above it. And so I teach in my course to get really excited once they've learned the tools because I have the few tools I teach them that immediately eliminate anxiety in the moment, it takes about 30 seconds, and it completely shuts off anxiety. So once they learn the tool, then every time anxiety comes up in their life, instead of getting fearful because of all the past triggers, and worried that their body is going to go through a panic attack, they get excited, because it's like, "Oh, awesome. It's another opportunity for me to practice this technique." And every time we practice it, it goes deeper into neurology, it rewires the brain even better. And so if we could get excited about when conflict comes up in our life especially conflict that is testing our resolve, if we could get excited, like, "Oh, awesome. Another friend is challenging me on my belief system. This is great." Or another friend or a person is challenging my new health goals or my diet or whatever, or whatever we've decided, right? Whenever an external or internal, if there's like, you know, the ego saying, what about this? Or you're not good enough? How could you do that? Whatever, we get excited, instead of frustrated, we get excited, because anytime we're being challenged internally or externally to test our resolve, it when we stick to our resolve, it will make it stronger, and it'll help us to propel us forward. So that's that was my little… 2:01:43 Theresa Vigarino: And then there's a tipping point, right? Where that doesn't show up in your reality. 2:01:46 Ashley James: Right. Exactly. It's at the beginning. It's right out beginning. The testing of the resolve happens at the beginning. And then you enforce your boundaries enough with yourself and with others and eventually everyone gets it, your brain gets it. Everyone, your in it gets it. You know, now, like I've been gluten free for eight, nine years now, there's no one that's going to talk me out of it, and I don't care. You can roll your eyes all you want when we're at a restaurant together, you know, whoever I'm with, right? And it's like, I'm not going to waver. But when I first started being gluten free, it's like, oh, you know, oh, I don't want to make anyone feel uncomfortable. Well, not me. But other people. Other people go through that when they go gluten free. And so I'm not. 2:02:35 Theresa Vigarino: Or vegan, You go to your friends house and not eat their BBQ and just eat the salad. Trust me, I've been through that, too. 2:02:42 Ashley James: Well, my husband and I are plant based now. And so, but I'm not going to apologize for who I am. I'm almost 40 By the way, and I really had an epiphany that I am not going to apologize for who I am. 2:02:58 Theresa Vigarino: Good for you. I am what I am. That's what I always say, right? Like it or not, I am what I am. And when people don't like it, it's okay. It's their choice, right? But that doesn't have to affect us. And what we know is what's in our best and highest good. 2:03:13 Ashley James: We gotta stick to it. And it's lonely. Yeah, it will be lonely. When we make a new commitment. It is lonely, because sometimes we don't have that support. Sometimes even internally, we don't have the support. 2:03:26 Theresa Vigarino: Oh my gosh, absolutely. 2:03:28 Ashley James: We gotta stick to it. And the more we stick to it, the stronger it becomes. And then we get to propel ourselves forward. So I love that you have an awesome journey the last two years and you're taking everything that you've learned, and that you're incorporating. And now you've been a coach for years. You told me I talked the other day, you said you know something to the effect of you don't identify as a coach anymore, you're a healer. You really get that you're a healer, but that you've been a coach for many years, and that you help people, for many years you've helped people, coach them to get to that place in their life that they want to be. 2:04:08 Theresa Vigarino: Yes, absolutely. And it really did come with the jungle experience that I really am more of a conduit and why I am a conduit, and it's the messages come through. And the spirit comes through and the healing comes through. And so I had to really differentiate, because as I kept calling myself coach, I wasn't really accessing what I'm here for, actually. And it was a stepping stone and I loved coaching. And it was really wonderful. It's just different now and it's coming more from this, it comes through me, not from me, if that makes sense. And so I've just surrendered to it. And the more of the surrendering process, which we will talk a lot about during this masterclass series, the more we're in the vibration of surrender, the more powerful the healing comes through, the messages come through, your life unfolds, like the South Africa thing, you know what I mean? Like, everywhere I go, I thought I mean, it's just unbelievable. My husband, we just look at each other, and just this amazement about how much South Africa is in our reality. And so when we are in that place of surrender, and we trust, we move into a state of trust through that surrender, then we are able to really let go and quiet that ego and live more in the realm of faith, that all things are well, that everything is working for your good. And you can rest in that and you actually quiet the mind down, the parasympathetic nervous system quiets down, and you have that state of peace. Even just for a little bit until you got to go through the process again, until it becomes your natural way of being. And then you'll get triggered. And we're always, because of free will. And we're not robots, we always have that choice to make. And I, of course I'm a believer in prayer and intention, and meditation, and we incorporate that in our daily lives to help us stay in that vibration. And there's lots of other things that will go through in the masterclass series for there to be visceral techniques, right? Visceral techniques, and then you know, I will, of course, be doing a lot of work ahead of time before each class. And that's why it's going to be small, because every person along with the class gets what's called the soul alchemy deep healing session with me, which is a transformational, it takes about three days. And that in and of itself is like $1,000 normally, and that is a bonus. And that has been transformational for a lot of people. And it's a shocker balancing a crystalline body upgrade. It's all very etheric and energetic healing that takes place in the other realm that you will feel the effects of instantly. It's amazing what happens after those and, you know, I'm going to do that for you, Ashley. 2:07:10 Ashley James: Oh, I'd love that. I'm all about it. 2:07:16 Theresa Vigarino: Yes, I know you are, I know you are. And, I just thank you so much for having me on, so that I can share this experience and encourage others that maybe have a chronic illness that, you know, my husband really has had a panic disorder. I don't know if I shared that with you. Ashley, we didn't realize that that's what it was until the jungle, and he would be great for you to talk to about this anxiety, and what he learned, you know, and it was a download that he learned from the family and maybe even genetic and the reason why he went for the month and what he learned as a result of it, and how to be that energy. Yeah, so I'll connect the two of you. But in the meantime, you know, I just want everyone to know that you're doing better than you think you are. And that you are a unique and divine personal on purpose, being of light that is here to express the divine through your life. 2:08:19 Ashley James: Beautiful, thank you so much. 2:08:21 Theresa Vigarino: End of Story. 2:08:23 Ashley James: For now. To be continued. 2:08:27 Theresa Vigarino: Thank you so much. I just love you. I love what you're doing, your podcast is amazing. You're an awesome interviewer and I love that you're helping people through what they're going through. And anxiety, like I said, it's a big deal here in America. And, you know, kudos to you, Ashley for being a voice. 2:08:44 Ashley James: Awesome. And likewise, thank you so much, Theresa Vigarino for coming on the show. And all the way back from Episode 88. Coming back to give us the updates in the download. I love it. Listeners can go to TheresaVigarino.com , of course the links and everything Theresa does is going to be the show notes of today's podcast at LearnTrueHealth.com . Theresa, it's been such a pleasure. We'll have to keep having you back on every two years. 2:09:11 Theresa Vigarino: That sounds amazing. We'll see what's next. Right? 2:09:14 Ashley James: Awesome. Thank you so much. 2:09:17 Theresa Vigarino: You're welcome. — Outro: Hello, true health seeker. Have you ever thought about becoming a health coach? Do you love learning about nutrition and how we can shift our lifestyle and our diet so that we can gain optimal health and happiness and longevity? Do you love helping your friends and family to solve their health problems and to figure out what they can do to eat healthier? Are you interested in becoming someone who can grow their own business, support people in their success? Do you love helping people? You might be the perfect candidate to become a health coach. 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More info on IIN's Health Coach program: http://learntruehealth.com/coach-certification Listen to my interview with IIN's creator, Joshua Rosenthal: http://learntruehealth.com/holistic-health-coach-joshua-rosenthal Health Coach Certification Information: If you needed more info about IIN's curriculum, check out these three resources: a. Integrative Nutrition's Curriculum Guide: http://geti.in/2cmUMxb b. The IIN Curriculum Syllabus: http://geti.in/2miXTej c. Module one of the IIN curriculum: http://geti.in/2cmWPl8 I just got word that starting Monday, July 24th, The Institute for Integrative Nutrition is offering an unprecedented ZERO DOWN promotion with a number of special bonus gifts, so I wanted to give my listeners the heads up a few days early! What makes this $0 Down offer so amazing? • Anyone who enrolls in the Health Coach Training Program between July 24th – 28th can get started for absolutely nothing down. They won't have to make their first payment for 30 days! If they aren't completely satisfied – they're out nothing. Zip. Nada. • 25% off Tuition (Yes, that's 25% off Pay in Full or Monthly Payment Plans!) • Bonus #1 – Full tuition for IIN's 'Launch Your Dream Book' course, where you will learn to write, publish, AND promote your own book in 6 months! So whether your dream book is a self-help, children's book, cookbook, memoir, or novel, this course will support you! • Bonus #2 – Reserved VIP Seating for our 2-Day "IIN Live" Weekend Conference featuring the most innovative rock stars in the health and wellness world. Past guests have included Arianna Huffington, Dr. Andrew Weil, Christiane Northrup, and Dr. Lissa Rankin. • Bonus #3 – WHILE SUPPLIES LAST! An Exclusive Invitation to attend an intimate LIVE event with world-renowned health and wellness guru and IIN visiting teacher David Wolfe & Integrative Nutrition Founder Joshua Rosenthal on Sunday, September 10th at 1PM in New York City! This is a once in a lifetime chance to personally meet two health and wellness rockstars (as well as other IIN students and grads). This is an intimate venue and space is very limited. If they can't attend in person, no worries! They'll have access to an exclusive recording in their IIN Learning Center. If you or a friend really want to join the Health Coach Training Program NOW (but won't have the money until the next paycheck or just want to give us a try) this is the perfect time for to enroll! Call IIN's VIP line (844) 315-8547 to speak with an awesome staff member, get all of your questions answered, and take advantage of this offer! Please share this with those in your life who you know would love to learn more about becoming a Certified Health Coach! Let's keep rocking the ripple effect!

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