About this episode
Aundi Kolber is a licensed professional counselor and author of the critically acclaimed Try Softer . She specializes in trauma- and body-centered therapies and is passionate about the integration of faith and psychology. In this episode Stephen talks with Aundi about her latest book Strong Like Water and how we can move through pain into the expansiveness of our deeper yearnings for transcendence, beauty, and wonder. Music for this episode is provided by Nashville singer/songwriter Lynn Marie . Patrons of the podcast can listen to a special Meet The Artist interview with Lynn on our Patreon . Episode Sponsor: Hope Words Writer’s Conference Use this link with the code “MANDMHW10 ” to receive a special Makers and Mystics listener discount. Send us a text Support the show Join the Makers and Mystics Creative Collective Get Tickets to The Breath and The Clay 2026 featuring Malcolm Guite, Jon Guerra, and Jonathan Pageau! March 20-22 in Winston Salem, NC.