About this episode
David Kinnaman is president of Barna Group, a leading research company based in Atlanta, Georgia. David’s work as a researcher and as a “professional listener” has led him and his team to interview nearly 1.5 million individuals since he began working for Barna in 1995. In this episode, Stephen is joined by Storybrand consultant and pastor, Luke Humbrecht of Boulder, Colorado. Stephen and Luke talk with David about his latest book, Faith For Exiles and the importance of cultivating healthy habits of attentiveness in a distracted age. Faith For Exiles Book **Since 2016, Makers and Mystics has produced over 100 free episodes of inspiring conversations and keynote talks that fuel the creative spirit. Because I treat every episode of this show as an individual work of art, it takes me around twenty hours or more per week to research, record and produce each episode. This is a joyful labor of love I hope to continue for years to come. I believe in the mission of Makers and Mystics to create and sustain a greater understanding of the relationship between art, faith and culture. Your support really makes a difference. If you find any inspiration and resonance in what I do, please consider becoming a monthly Patron with a recurring donation of your choosing. From the price of a cup of coffee to a date night at the movies, you can partner with me in building creative culture and changing the understanding of why art matters to the life of the spirit. Join Our Creative Collective here Send us a text Support the show Join the Makers and Mystics Creative Collective Get Tickets to The Breath and The Clay 2026 featuring Malcolm Guite, Jon Guerra, and Jonathan Pageau! March 20-22 in Winston Salem, NC.