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Alan Fredendall // #TechniqueThursday // www.ptonice.com In today's episode of the PT on ICE Daily Show, ICE Chief Operating Officer Alan Fredendall discusses the difference between myofascial decompression & cupping, if myofascial decompression works or not, and how to elevate the use of myofascial decompression in practice Take a listen to the podcast episode or check out the full show notes on our blog at www.ptonice.com/blog . If you're looking to learn more about courses designed to start your own practice, check out our Brick by Brick practice management course or our online physical therapy courses , check out our entire list of continuing education courses for physical therapy including our physical therapy certifications by checking out our website. Don't forget about all of our FREE eBooks, prebuilt workshops, free CEUs, and other physical therapy continuing education on our Resources tab. EPISODE TRANSCRIPTION ALAN FREDENDALLMyofascial decompression. What is it? How does it work? Does it work? And how can you elevate what you're currently doing practice if you're already implementing this style of soft tissue treatment? WHAT IS MYOFASCIAL DECOMPRESSION? So let's take it from the top and let's talk about what is myofascial decompression, sometimes abbreviated MFD. and how is it different from cupping? So you may consider these in your mind to be synonymous and that is very very wrong. Why? Calling myofascial decompression cupping is really a misnomer because if we dig deep people have been cupping each other for many many many thousands of years. It comes from eastern medicine and you may have seen it in practice, maybe you do it in practice, maybe you've seen it on social media or the internet, and you see people laying in a static position, sometimes with their whole body covered in plastic or glass cups, right? And so that is cupping, that is sitting in a static position, that is using things like meridian or chi points, the idea that maybe we're removing toxins from the body, and you may even heard of something called wet cupping, where we pull blood to the surface with a cup, and then maybe we puncture it with a needle or a knife and we draw blood out of people. So all of that is kind of in the sphere of the term cupping. And what's very, very, very different about myofascial decompression is that we are using some sort of pump, manual or automatic, to get a decompressive effect through the tissue. And in the context of myofascial decompression, we are always, always, always, always, including movement. We are never having people lay statically with just cups on their body. We are not educating them that we're removing toxins from their body or altering their chi or anything like that. And certainly, hopefully, you are not cutting people open and using the decompressive pressure of the cups to suck blood out of their body, right? And so that is the difference between cupping and myofascial decompression. Both use plastic or glass cups, but they come from very, very different paradigms in why we're using it, what we're doing, and the effect that we're hoping to have. So with myofascial decompression, we know now with MRI studies that when we put these cups on, if we have enough pressure, we know that we can put hundreds of millimeters of mercury of pressure through this cup, and that we can sometimes reach the level of the bone. And so we are decompressing not only just the skin and the fascia beneath the skin, but down to the level of the muscle, fascia between levels of muscle, and even deeper levels of muscle all the way down to the bone. And so thinking about the various levels, when you look at your forearm, for example, what is between you and the outside layer of your skin and the bone? Several layers of tissue. We have our epidermis, we have our dermis, we have super fascial tissue and fascia, we have deep fascia, and then we get into the fascia in and around the muscle. We have the epimysium, we have the paramycium, and we have the endomysium. And that we know with a large enough cup and enough pressure from one of our pressure guns that again we can reach the level of the bone. So we're using higher pressures combined with movement to create this decompressive and sometimes sheer force effect on the tissue, combining the decompression with the movement, that is myofascial decompression. And that is how much different it is from traditional maybe Eastern medicine, quote unquote, just cupping. So the second question that we often get and the second point I want to make is often, does it work? There is a lot of myths on social media and the internet that this is not doing anything, that this could never cause a change in tissue. and that is team Patently Untrue. Certainly, if you do this wrong, you can be very ineffective with this style of treatment, but if you do it right, it can be very, very effective. So I wanna give a shout out to Dr. Chris DiPrato. He's a physical therapist out in the Bay Area of California. You may have heard of him. He owns the company Cup Therapy. He teaches myofascial decompression courses. We had the pleasure of taking one of his courses a couple weeks ago when he was here in Michigan, and we had a great time. In particular, I love to learn all the research he had to share. And some of that research around does this actually work is pretty mind opening. And my point with today's podcast is that when we elevate our techniques, we elevate the efficacy and the efficiency of our techniques as well. And again, certainly, if you do this wrong or sloppy, you will have a minimum effect on the tissue. But if you do it right, you can have a profound effect on the soft tissue of the body. DOES IT ACTUALLY WORK? And Chris shares that in his course when he seeks to answer the question, does it actually work? Chris has used cups with myofascial decompression on embalmed cadavers. He has used them on fresh or what may be called wet cadavers. And he has used them on live living people in an MRI tube and looked at what is happening to the tissue when we have a large cup with a lot of pressure in it. What do we see? And what he has seen over the years doing these studies himself of having people in MRI tubes is that with a large enough cup and enough pressure, again, we can begin to decompress multiple layers of tissue, fascia, muscle all the way down to the level of the bone, which is pretty significant. And that in general, the more hydrated the tissue, the more decompressive effect we have seen. So when he has tested this on embalmed cadavers where all of the body water, liquid blood, everything is removed and the tissue is essentially dried out, we see a minimal effect when we use this technique. But when we use it on a fresh or wet cadaver or a living person that still has blood, all the sorts of fluid that we have inside of our body, that we get a much more profound effect. And more importantly, looking at these MRI studies, we see that not only do we see that effect in the moment, but that we see that effect for at least three to five days after we have done the myofascial decompression. So what is it? It is a technique using high pressure with movement to create a decompressive effect and some sheer force on the body. And does it work? Yes, if you do it right. So that's what I want to spend the rest of this podcast episode discussing. INTERLUDE Before I do that, I just want to introduce myself. My name is Alan. I have the pleasure of surfing as our chief operating officer here at ICE and a faculty member in our fitness athlete and practice management divisions. This is Technique Thursday. On Thursdays, we either cover leadership topics or we cover technique topics. Today is a technique topic today. And it is Technique Thursday, which also means it is Gut Check Thursday. This week's Gut Check Thursday comes from our own fitness athlete faculty member, Joe Hinesco, who sent me a nice little number for you all to do this week. It is every two minutes, hop on a fan bike, an echo or a salt bike, hammer out 20 calories for the guys or 15 for the ladies. And then any remaining time in that two minute window, you're going to do max repetitions of a barbell thruster. with the prescribed weight of 95 for guys and 65 for ladies. The goal there getting hopefully at least 10 thrusters every round and your workout is finished when you hit 75 thrusters. So the moment you hit that 75th thruster you are done with the workout. So it rewards an aggressive start, it rewards somebody who can be aggressive on the bike but still hop off and pick up that barbell and do big sets of thrusters. So If you try that and you hated it, send all that shade towards Joe. He's the one that came up with this workout, so send that his way. And then I just want to plug again, Chris DePrato cuptherapy.com. He has live and online courses, a level one course, a level two course, both live and online. And if you finish today's episode and you want to learn more about this, maybe you're like me and you kind of just started doing this without any formal training. I promise you, if you take his courses, you will come away with a lot of very actionable stuff that's going to do nothing but elevate these techniques in your own clinical practice. So let's talk about this. PRACTICAL APPLICATION Let's talk about practical application. First things first, if you have done cuffing before, You have probably seen clear cups. What's the difference? We also have cups. These are rock pods. We have these in the clinic as well. What is the main difference? The main difference is that I cannot control the pressure with something like a rock pod. All I can do is essentially stick it on my skin and get whatever pressure comes out of it, right? That might be not enough pressure to do anything and I may have to reset it. And then I basically am just getting lucky maybe with enough pressure for the patient to maybe feel something. But this is not ideal. It does not have a way for us to control the pressure. It does not have a way for us to objectively measure how much pressure we're using. And most importantly, we can't see through this, right? We can't see the tissue. We can't see what's happening underneath the tissue. There is some important stuff that can happen inside of a clear cup that you'll want to see. and I won't steal Chris's thunder, I'll have you take his course to learn that, but it's really important that we have a clear cup, and that we have some sort of control over the pressure, that we have some sort of pump gun, automatic or manual, to pump up the pressure, and really be sure we're just not getting a random application every time we put on a cup like a rock pot. So what does that look like? We have a manual gun, right? It has a trigger here, you connect it to the cup, and you pull pressure out, right? You decompress. And then with this style of cup, you just squeeze to let the air out. Now, what's great about Chris and Cup Therapy that has really made me feel good about this technique is they have solved the problem of how much pressure exactly am I using so that I can be sure if I repeat this treatment in the future, or maybe somebody else has to repeat this treatment for me, they're using the same pressure as me. Lo and behold, the automatic pressure gun, right? So you can see right here, if you're listening on the podcast, you can't see anything. So go over to our YouTube channel, or our Instagram page and watch me on the video. But what you'll see here is we have a pressure gauge, right? And it's measured in millimeters of mercury. It goes from zero up to 760 millimeters of mercury. And as you apply the cup, you will see the pressure gauge change. And that can dial you in more on how much pressure you're putting through the cup. And again, let you hopefully repeat that treatment in the future. And also be sure you're reaching the levels of tissue depth that you want to be working at. So this is a very, very great tool. This is brand new as of this year, I believe. So if you've taken his course before, you'll want to jump on cuptherapy.com and buy one of these. But this is very, very, very, very nice. And so I'm going to put this on myself. I'm going to put some, just some free up, and then I'm going to show you all how great it is with this auto pressure gun. So just putting some lotion over the area where I'm going to apply the cup. I'm going to apply the hose to the cup like so, and then I'm going to squeeze the pressure gun. Doing this one handed is super tough, but I think we can get it. There we go. And so you can hear the gun working a bit. And now as I take the hose off, you can see some pretty darn good pressure, right? A lot of tissue deformation right there, a couple of inches of skin fascia and muscle pulled into the cup. And I can tell you, this is a very different feeling than just having something like a rock pod or otherwise just a squeeze application silicone cup. This is right on the border between discomfort and pain. However, it is enough pressure that I could move those muscles. I could do a bicep curl. I could do pull-ups. I could move my forearm through whatever range of motion I wanted to, and you can see that cup is not going anywhere, and that comes down to making sure that we have enough pressure through the cup that we're reaching not only enough pressure that we can move with the cup on, but again, that we're reaching the levels of tissue depth that we want to achieve. And that is very, very easy to do with the automatic pressure gun. Let's talk about those pressures. What are they? If we really want to reach deep muscle or reach even the levels of intermuscular tissue and fascia, we need to have a lot of pressure through these cups. We need to have 300 to 600 millimeters of mercury. What is the problem with a cup like this? Or what is the problem with the manual gun? I have no idea what pressure I'm at, right? Hence the importance of the pressure gauge on the new automatic gun. Going down in pressures, if I just want to reach the level of the deep fascia, the pressure comes down a bit, 200 to 400 millimeters of mercury. And then if I want to stay superficial, even maybe if I just want to promote some lymph flow, maybe a patient has some swelling or some lymphedema, I can keep the pressure really light, 40 to maybe 150 millimeters of mercury. Again, how can I be sure I'm keeping pressure light enough to only promote lymph flow? Well, with something like a silicone cup or even the manual gun, I have no idea how heavy or how light my pressure is. And so again, it reinforces the need for that automatic pressure gun. And now I would say the key here, and again, the difference between myofascial decompression and cupping is that when we have these cups on, we're doing some sort of movement, right? Chris will take you through a whole protocol in his course of how to get the cups on and how to slowly introduce movement to an area, especially maybe if it's very restricted or very painful, but also different applications using lighter or deeper pressures to inhibit or facilitate different muscles. For example, he's a big fan of putting cups with heavy pressure on the traps for somebody who does a really contrived trap shrug when they lift overhead. And if you want to maybe isolate the deltoids or the upper back, and sort of think about turning the traps off a bit, we can stick some cups on the trap and really put a lot of pressure through those cups. It's going to be really hard to engage and move those traps, and it's going to promote movement through the muscles that we want to target. Again, maybe the deltoids or the upper back. And he has a number of different examples and circuits scenarios for you in his class but the key is the pressure matters and we can't know what pressure we're at if we don't have an objective way to measure it and then track it over time and for me that was a big game-changer what I learned is I was simply not using enough pressure using something like a silicone cup or or using something like a clear cup, but with just the manual gun. Simply not putting enough pressure into the cup to get the treatment effects that I was looking for. And certainly, probably not being light enough on the other end, if I wanted to do something like promote lymph flow, or I just wanted to have some cups on some muscles to facilitate muscle activation, I was probably going too light for deeper structures and too hard for more superficial structures. or movement facilitation. And again, the automatic gun with the pressure gauge changed all of that. SUMMARY So what is myofascial decompression? It is not cupping. It is using pressure, specifically various ranges of pressure depending on the level of tissue that we want to target. always combined with movement to promote movement through that muscle, movement through that tissue. That is very different from cupping where people typically lay in a static position, have a number of different cups applied to them, usually with no idea how much pressure is being put through that cup. Does it work? Yes, if you do it right, it works. As with most things in life, if you do it wrong, it won't work very well. And so understanding that if we have enough pressure through a large enough cup, we can move through several layers of tissue, including all the way down to the level of the bone, which is probably much more of a pronounced effect than maybe we ever thought possible. How can we get better at this? I would recommend if you haven't yet that you take Chris's course. You learn where to put these cups to target different muscles, to target different movement patterns, and that more importantly than anything else, you get yourself that automatic gun either from Chris's website or that you get with the level two course where you have that objective pressure grade knowing that different levels of pressure will target different structures and have different treatment effects. So it's really important we know what those are and what we're trying to achieve with that patient in front of us. us. So I hope this was helpful. Big shout out again to Chris. I reached out to him before doing this episode and just ran this by him and we really appreciate all of his collaboration. You'll notice that ICE does not have a myofascial decompression course. We think Chris is doing it better than anybody else and if it's not broke, don't fix it. So just go see Chris if you want to learn more about this. He runs a fantastic course, very evidence-based, Very movement focused, which you know, anything from us here at ICE, that's what we're all about. So just go see Chris if you want to learn more about this. I hope you all have a wonderful Thursday. Have fun with Gut Check. I don't think you will. Again, if you hate it, just send Joe those nasty messages. Just pass me right on by and go right to Joe. And I hope you have a wonderful weekend and a fantastic Thursday. Bye everybody. OUTRO Hey, thanks for tuning in to the PT on Ice daily show. If you enjoyed this content, head on over to iTunes and leave us a review, and be sure to check us out on Facebook and Instagram at the Institute of Clinical Excellence. If you're interested in getting plugged into more ice content on a weekly basis while earning CEUs from home, check out our virtual ice online mentorship program at ptonice.com. 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