About this episode
#408: When Kiersten and Julian Saunders began dating in 2012, they fell in love quickly, and their relationship felt strong – until they started talking about money. They broke up as a result of their first money conversation. Luckily, they got back together, figured out how to have tough conversations, and paid off $200,000 in debt over the next five years. Then they started thinking about how to hack their careers. They came up with a plan for a 15-year career. Today, they join us on the podcast to talk about the 15-year career framework and how to approach your career - and your finances - in 5 year stints. Timing of discussion points as per October 2022: 00:25: Introduction to Kiersten and Julien Saunders 02:05: The money conversation that changed everything 11:25: Examples of interaction patterns around money discussions 12:08: Tactics to continue difficult money conversations 16:18: Starting a 15-year career 17:48: The focus of the first five years: your financial foundation 18:17: Transitioning to the second five years and defining your super power at work 18:50: Building your exit plan in the last five years 22:57: Thinking about side hustles and the factors of urgency and upside 24:29: How does a person know how to make money 29:28: Maintaining momentum towards your goals over the 15 year time span 31:37: Is it possible to accelerate the 15 year timeline? 35:12: Thinking about risk after your career Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices