About this episode
The Ringer's Juliet Litman is joined by Ben Higgins and Lauren Bushnell to discuss their new reality on reality TV (8:00), "cray" vs. "crazy" (13:00), Ben's political aspirations (19:00), the Pacers date (24:00), and the most awkward moments on the show (27:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices