New News About Nuzzi, and Mamdani Goes to Washington. Plus: Susan Orlean on Breaking Into The New Yorker, Working for Tina Brown, and More.

Hello, media consumers! Bryan and David discuss Bryan’s newest Texas barbecue adventure before diving into the most recent news in the ever-evolving Olivia Nuzzi saga, including their thoughts on Ryan Lizza’s second Substack piece and whether this story has reached the point of “feeling like you know too much” (09:49). Next, the guys dive into everything that came out of the meeting between Zohran Mamdani and President Trump in the Oval Office (24:11). Lastly, the show ends with today’s Notebook Dump, where journalist and author Susan Orlean joins the show to discuss her start at The New Yorker, working for Tina Brown, and much more (36:03). Plus, an Only in Journalism first, and David Shoemaker Guesses the Strained-Pun Headline! Hosts: Bryan Curtis and David Shoemaker Guest: Susan Orlean Producer: Bruce Baldwin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices